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Offline Fatty

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« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2002, 09:08:13 PM »
I still like it.  Even moreso with mugz this upset.

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« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2002, 09:27:36 PM »
Karnak, did you CTD just after you went to Calibration mode? If so, I had it happen to me 3 sorties in a row today, and I posted it in the bug section.  If you had the same problem you might wanna post it.

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« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2002, 11:59:37 PM »
Ive never tried the old version or the new version for level bombing.  I DO know that I suck at dive bombing.  Im strafer :)

With that said I dont wanna hear no more whinin from old buff pilots who think that actually having skill at something is a detractor.

Learn to fly with the new system, toejam, you get 3 buffs instead of 1.  What the hell are you complaining about?!

Practice for cryin out loud, so what if you cant figgure it out in the first day, the system is not impossible it just requires sKiLZ

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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2002, 12:11:47 AM »
Verm,

Yes, it was after entering the calibration mode.  It was the 2nd time I'd entered calibration mode on that flight and it was the second bomber mission I'd flown on that instance of AH.
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« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2002, 05:52:06 AM »
I have practiced for hours offline and done several runs in MA(all in B17's)...I can't hit a thing,I'm always long by five hanger lengths.

I line up target approximately so only minor steering is required,I establish a constant airspeed(tried 200mph and 160) with the bay doors open.

Then I go to calibration mode and zoom all the way in and pick a spot of terrain and I hold the "V" key(i have it set to c=calibrate,v=mark spot) for 2-5 seconds.

Then I bring up the map and click on the target and it's alt is then displayed.

Then when I drop 1 egg(x3 with formation) it is always a good deal long.If I had salvoed them all,the last bombs would be even further off.

What am I doing wrong?All that Kweassa shown in his well detailed thread is not hard to do.The only way I can see for error if you don't deviate heading is in the calibration.I'll drop from 10k(just outta ack range) and zoom all the way in during calibration on a rock and hold it dead on for 4 seconds.

So what am I doing wrong?..I need to knows...:eek:


PS...An airspeed readout would be usefull when in the bombsite,though I dont remember from B17II if that's realistic.

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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2002, 06:08:10 AM »
Is it possible to film a buff run for educational purposes?I would love to view someone who's got the new system down in slow motion...
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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2002, 06:11:09 AM »
Your airspeed is probably not stable, and if your alt and drop alt are more than 2-3 feet apart, you're not going to hit anything.

What i usually do is, line up on the target about 25-50miles out, go to full throttle(no worry about bumping the throttle) and open bay doors.  In the pizza map, there is a 30mph wind out of the west, so bombing w to e, or e to w is much simpler if you're over 14000feet, if you're under 14000 feet, you dont need to worry about wind.  Wait untill your speed COMPLETELY levels out, a small change will completly throw off the bombing.

Once your target comes in at the edge of your sight, Calibrate on a spot just below and ahead of your plane(Do NOT start the point off to the side, or it will throw the aim off).  Hold the mark for as long as possible, 10-20 seconds.  The longer the distance, the less a small error will affect it.  

At this point, your target should be close to your vertical line in the bombsight, when turning at this point, do NOT turn except in the bombsight, or your altitide and speed will get screwed up.  If your speed and alt is stable, and you did a good calibration, you should be able to pick off individual hangars, with minimal bombs.

The key is to, calibrate at the last second, and over a period of 10seconds+, after having flown straight in level flight for long enough for your speed to completely even out.  A proper lineup and calibration will give you almost laser guided accuracy, but even a small error will put the bombs a hundred yards or more off.

One tip:
Offline, turn on the divebomb sight.  From f6, you will see the cross, exactly where the old precision bombsight would have been.  You can compare the location of that sight, to your calibrated sight to see how your calibration came out, without having to drop any bombs.

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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2002, 01:37:13 PM »
Now buff pilots actually require some skill...
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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2002, 04:58:41 PM »
ok i HAVE TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS TOLD ME TO DO. I still cant hit CHIT!!!!!!What the hell am I doing wrong. I have flown offline online in h2h trainingarena everywhere different maps. I have done  everytihing over and over and over.Still no hits.WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING WRONG.
I like the new challenge BUT DAMN This is getting rediculis!!!!
Yes I agree PUT AND AIRSPEED INDICATOR in bombsite if Its going to be that critical and that precise to achieve a successful bombing run.:eek: :eek: :eek: :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad: :mad:

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« Reply #39 on: July 06, 2002, 05:35:14 PM »
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Originally posted by DRGON
ok i HAVE TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYONE HAS TOLD ME TO DO. I still cant hit CHIT!!!!!!What the hell am I doing wrong. I have flown offline online in h2h trainingarena everywhere different maps. I have done  everytihing over and over and over.Still no hits.WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING WRONG.
I like the new challenge BUT DAMN This is getting rediculis!!!!
Yes I agree PUT AND AIRSPEED INDICATOR in bombsite if Its going to be that critical and that precise to achieve a successful bombing run.:eek: :eek: :eek: :confused: :confused: :confused: :mad: :mad:

Dont feel bad bro . So have i.  Only to have someone tell me to drop from exact Alt. Exact speed and yada yada yada la la la and so on.  
Anyone can see there is  Target alt. Drop Alt. ect.  readout  form the bomber posistion its only natural to use it as a tool. I always Calibrate from closer range to prevent changes in speed and alt at time of calibration versus time of actuall drop.  And Before i drop, i make certian that target Alt. and Drop alt. are exact. Not even 1 Foot difference!  
Also Speed,  I cut throttle to 35 psi. 25 miles from target. I  zoom on Speedometer and git a Good read on curent speed, write it down on a peice of paper just before i go to bombsite.  Next i go to bombadeir posistion and calibrate Scope. I make a note of Target Alt and Drop Alt, and write it down on a peice of paper.  Then, just a few seconds before droping the bombs. I go to Cockpit Chek speed to make sure that it is exactly the same as when i calibrated the scope for speed. If it is i go back to scope and drop.         ~!#@$#%$^^%  Nothing!!!!  ROFLOL.  
All testing has been OFFLINE in a controlled environment. No Wind, same Target, same Alt. same Aproach, and same takeoff base.  
I seem to be consistantly droping 1 town width  Short of target.   So you ask, Why dont you drop 1 town width past the town?   I have and its working.  However Why should i have to?  The Frikin Thing isn't working right!!  The only thing that i have been wondering about.  Would a Slightly miscalibrated JoyStik cause this effect?  Keeping in mind that the JoyStik isnt showing a unstable property in the JoyStik calibration mode in Setup.  For now my conclusion is this.  Try to get consistant on your drops. Wether your drops are long or short. As long as they are consistant. Then just drop early or late acordingly.  This new bomber sys. is still screwed.  Even though i will figure a way around it. :D

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« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2002, 10:39:06 PM »
Okay I Have checked Calibration on Stick and recalibrated it just in case. I have done the pick spot slow speed hold on spot for 2-5secs. I even stayed in bombsight manuvered with aileron had everything set(at least I thought):mad: Lined up on target Crosshairs hit target and drop......................wai ting waiting waiting...................... .......hear explosions NO DAMN CONFIRMATION. Hit f3 look down all bombs missed target by like a mile THIS watermelon SUCKS!!!!!!!BUt I am very persistant I will not give up that easy. I am going to give it a month. If I dont get it FEK it I am done. I fly mostly bombers and hvy BnZers P-47 51 things like that But I really like my bombing runs. PLEASE HT DO SOMETHING TO FIX THIS PROBLEM. I love all the Updates U have made so far EXCEPT THIS!!!! I will continue to try for another month after that :confused: who knows.

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« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2002, 03:00:52 AM »
Wasn't hard to learn IMO, I made succeeded in hitting where I aimed on my first drop and every other drop after that. The secret is not to maneuver AT ALL wehn in bomb sight, if not aligned to something on a field make a new pass. Also, never fly on full throttle when you bomb, accelerate as much as you can before the target then cut the throttle some, will slow down and maintain a speed pretty fast.
Make sure you keep the cross hair steady when you measure speed.
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« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2002, 06:22:46 AM »
i would have prefered the bomb sight thats in b-17 2

Taken straight out the E-manual:

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• Enter “Search Mode” by using SHIFT + K (A light will come on).
• Use your joystick to locate the target, place the crosshair over the
target and then hit SHIFT + K to ‘lock’ the target.
• The Sight starts in DRIFT Correction mode. Moving the joystick left
adjusts the angle of Drift to the left – the target will begin to drift
more to the right of the sight picture. Moving the joystick right will
alter the angle of Drift to the right – the target will begin to drift
more to the left of the sight picture.
• Press key N to enter RATE Correction mode. Moving the joystick up
makes the rate track more slowly, so the target will move towards
the bottom of the sight picture. Moving the joystick down will make
the rate track more quickly, hence the target will appear to move
back up towards the top of the sight picture. The objective is to
freeze any vertical movement of the target.
• You should adjust DRIFT and RATE until the sight picture shows no
movement at all. This is called SYNCHRONISATION, and means the
bombsight is correctly allowing for speed, altitude and wind drift.
• During your alterations, the target may have slipped out from the
crosshairs. If you have time, you can enter SEARCH mode, using
the SHIFT + K key combination, and place the target directly under
the crosshair again. Provided that you have correctly
SYNCHRONISED the sight, as described above, the crosshair will
remain where you left it.
• Watch the two markers close towards each other. When they meet,
the bombs will be dropped automatically by the bombsight,
thus ensuring a drop accurate to the millisecond.

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It may sound easy (it is compared to the AH one, lol), but in fact its not

First time I tried bombing I ended up bombing some farmers sheep, lol


it would have been nice if we could have this system, but i guess we'll have to do with this one

btw, the longest process on there is measuring the speed, the thing that our process takes 2 seconds
« Last Edit: July 07, 2002, 06:30:10 AM by BenDover »

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« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2002, 08:28:17 AM »
Bendover the 2 secs is just a minimum. You will get much better calibrations with longer messures.

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« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2002, 08:42:10 AM »
ah right


btw, you been taking spelling lessons?:p