A-20G best plane introduced into AH!

[Sachs]

Originally posted by Karnak
PRAM,

Yeah, I know what you mean about two engines.  I've brought home many a one engined Mossie.

In my tests of twin engined Jabo aircraft I decided it went like this in terms of absolute destruction capability:

Bf110G-2
P-38L
Mosquito Mk VI

It seems that the Bf110G-2 wins because it has both cannon and bombs/rockets.  The P-38L relies almost entirely on its bombs and rockets asd .50s are too ineffective for straffing.  The Mossie does OK with its bombs and/or rockets and then does a good deal of trama with its cannons.

I feel that the three contenders in terms of handling go in this order:

P-38L (the only true fighter of the group)
Mosquito Mk VI
Bf110G-2

The P-38L is the only one of the three to have what I consider full fighter performance, bith the Mosquito and Bf110G-2 can act as fighters in a pinch and even give a good account of themselves in the right hands, but newbies will die quick.  Bottom line is that the P-38L is a fighter and the Mosquito Mk VI and Bf110G-2 are heavy fighters.

All of those were quite usable though and I think it is mostly a matter of taste which you pick.

Now with the A-20G in the mix I think it goes like this in the first category:

Bf110G-2 / A-20G (4,000lbs of bombs do count, but no rockets and weak straffing)
P-38L
Mosquito Mk VI

In the second category it falls out like this:

P-38L
Mosquito Mk VI
Bf110G-2
A-20G (way, WAY back from the others as its slower, climbs worse, rolls worse, turns worse, has slower acceleration and has a much lower top speed before structural failure)

Karnak the A-20 has actually a better top speed under 10k then the 110 with a full bombload.  IT has better defensive weapons with the twin 50's have 3 kills with it as i have none with the 110.  it is by far more durable then any of these planes listed here.  I actually prefer 50 cals to deacking a field then the mausers.  It is by far the best jabo we have in the game IMO.  I have survived 3 hits from ostwinds and landed.  ALl I know is this plane rocks and I am glad it is here.  My kills are down this tour but man this thing is just fun as hell to fly.

[RRAM]

Originally posted by Sachs


Karnak the A-20 has actually a better top speed under 10k then the 110 with a full bombload.

are you sure?




I'd say not.




And remember, to reach that top speed you must also accelerate. The Me110G accelerates much better.



 

IT has better defensive weapons with the twin 50's have 3 kills with it as i have none with the 110.

That also is because with the A20 the only chance you have to survive an engagement is using the a20's guns.

With the 110G2 you can actually FIGHT. If the 110G2 had a twin .50 cal in the tail I'd never use it, exactly as I never use the MG81Z. Why?...because it can fight as a fighter. The A20 Can't.

it is by far more durable then any of these planes listed here.  I actually prefer 50 cals to deacking a field then the mausers.  

50 cals cause more suppresion, but the 20mm hit much harder than them. So you might lose deacking accuracy at extreme distances...in exchange you get 2 20mm cannons and 2 30mm cannons wich can destroy two hangars in a single well done pass.


One thing I concede, the A20 is tougher. BUt a single BF110G2 can actually wipe out half a medium field hangars on its own using just its guns. With guns ,rockets and bombs this thing is a field assasin.

The A20G can just deack it and destroy minor buildings with its nose MGs.

It is by far the best jabo we have in the game IMO.  I have survived 3 hits from ostwinds and landed.  ALl I know is this plane rocks and I am glad it is here.  My kills are down this tour but man this thing is just fun as hell to fly.

Noone denies it, but the A20 is far from being better attackp lane than the 110G2 is. It simply doesn't pack the same punch. Its got advantages over the 110G2, true, but overall is not better.

[Angus]

Rram is right, the 110 is a more efficient mud mover. However, between the a20, 110 and the Mossie there is just a little gap...mostly a matter of taste;)

[Kieran]

Don't overlook it is both an early-war plane, and that it is American. The 110G2 is a great plane, but it is German. If you are going to run a scenario, you might need both under the right circumstances.

El Alamein? Tobruk?

[Karnak]

Angus,

That is mostly correct.  I like all of the multi-role twins in AH, but the Mossie more than the others.  I was just looking for why people were saying the A-20G was the best ever.  It is true that it is good, but best?  I don't see it.

[nuchpatrick]

I dunno... but I do have to say for flying this twin engine jug.. I love it..Just as much as my P-47D11.

The fact I killed some yoyo in a 190 with my A-20. Proves to me that you can dog fight if you have the patence to hang in there. I think the trick is you get rather slow go two noch down on flaps and you can kick some arse!!

[Hristo]

410 410 410 410 410............

[Sabre]

It's strictly psychological perhaps, but there's something about sitting in the cockpit of the A20 that inspires confidence, more so for me than in any other twin attacker.  And it is definitely way more durable than any other.  I also took multiple hits from field ack without hardly batting an eye (lost one aileron was all).  I just wish the wings wouldn't start creaking and groaning so soon.

[ra]

I just flew an attack mission against a town in the A20G.  I think it's best asset is the 8x500 bomb load, which seems better at town killing than 4x1K bombs.  I dive bombed from 1 corner of the town to the other dropping 4 bombs evenly spaced, then pulled up and did the same thing from the other direction, making a big 'X' with 500 lbrs.  My text buffer was nearly filled with 'target destroyed' messages.  A couple of strafing runs and the town was finished.  The 110 is better all around, but anything with radiators makes me nervous for jabo.

It is fun to throw a large plane around while causing so much damage.

ra

[Angus]

Been trying out the A-20.
Well, it kicks arse, but go try the 110 and Mossie again, and you will see that it does not better them. Mossie is faster and has the same destruction capability, - 110 has more.
Karnak is right, the Mossie really rocks;)

[Reschke]

I like the A20 when you have a local air superiority to get the town knocked out at a base. Although among the discussed "Jabo" planes here I think the Bf-110 does a better job than any other aside from the Mossie. Until we get the Me-410 the questions will still be kicked around.

[Fester']

For total air superiority and just plain bad assed field capture, nothing can do it like the 110g2.

We've had this same debate in our squad.  It looks like we're gogin to settle the issue in the TA

The 110g2 is not only an ace at mud moving, it also an acceptable fighter.  If there are firendlies about, a few guys to take 100% focus off of your plane you canr eally get destructive in it and it becomes the perfect platform for ripping through furballs.  I like it better that the a8 even simply because everything sits in the nose.

[Hristo]

Unlike all other planes, 110 enjoys good gunsight clearance. You can pull even some lead without nose obstructing your target. This, combined with big guns, make it the best LW gun platform.

I can only imagine how good the 410 will be - more speed, similar or better guns, better visibility, better rear guns.



check guns on the pic !

[Gorf]

I have been waiting for a straffer nose bomber for years and was totally hyped when I heard that the A20 was chosen.  A forgotton light bomber/attack aircraft of WWII.  I have done a few missions with the A20 and have only died twice or once, can't rember and I am to lazy to open another WEB window to find out.

The A20, i have to agree, is one of the BEST addittions HTC has added to the game.  I love how HTC throughs in planes now and then that no other online sim thinks about.  For my logic on why it is one of the best. here it goes:

IT has ample forward firepower.  Only downside is that it is not enough for taking out tanks like the 110 has.  However it can stop a FLAK pzner dead in its track with only one pass. Otherwise it can pretty much handle most ground targets.

Its survivablity to ground fire is very high, more so then any other aircraft.  I have flown the 110 versions and they do not have the durability of the A20.  Yes there are fighters that can carry more and fight afterwards but they don't have the survivability.

BIG Factor.. its a radial powered plane.  Inlines make a poor choice of engine for a low level attack aircraft when put up against a radial.  Only exception is the IL2.  Only reason beeing it has enough armour on it underbelly to make a M3 jealous.


We finally have a low level straffer nose bomber in the US arsenal.

Only Us bomber that I can get up over 350mph and does not compress or wings rip off.  Heck one mission I caught a Mossy and had the A20 up to almost 400mph.

As for compareing the A20 against other fighter aircraft is not a good one do to the purpose of the design for each aircraft.  THe A20 was a low level HIT and Run light bomber.   Only time to hang around and strife is with support.  If you see enemy fighters above or FLAK pnzer popping up you don't stick around you get the hell out.  

The A20 requires a different form of fighting and I am not saying the 110 or mossie are bad planes its just that people need ot relise the design of the craft and its purpose.  The A20 was design for Ground Attack, Extreme survivablity, speed and a average bomb load.  In the US inventory I would say the B25H and J are next inline for survivablity in the Bomber/Attack role.

ANyway, MY 2 cents and THANKS to HTC for putting in another forgotton bird of WWII.

Gorf

[OSCAR]

nose slightly down you can outrun many of the planes in AH with the A20 doing nearly 400.