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Offline hawk220

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« on: July 05, 2002, 10:12:53 AM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_2090000/2090152.stm


Mass drugs bust at US base

 
The US Marines introduced drugs testing last year

More than 80 US Marines and sailors have been convicted in one of the largest drug busts in US military history.
Investigators seized $1.5m of narcotics including Ecstasy, cocaine, LSD and methamphetamine at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina.

 
Respect for the US military has never been higher in the US
 
Of the 84 charged, 61 were accused of distributing drugs and 23 were accused of using them.

Another 99 civilians have also been charged in connection with similar offences following the operation, codenamed Xterminator.

No details on the type of convictions have been revealed, but the US military imposes a maximum sentence of 15 years for dealing drugs and five years for drug use.



It's not an epidemic by any means
 
Major Steve Cox  
Investigators were alerted two years ago by a large number of Marines using nightclubs in Wilmington, 40 miles south of the camp.

Base spokesman Major Steve Cox said those involved were only a tiny fraction of the 60,000 personnel at the coastal base.

"That's 0.001% of the forces at Camp Lejeune. It's not an epidemic by any means," he said.

"From a Marine Corps perspective, we view drug use as a societal issue. We would be naive to think our Marines are not using drugs."

Although drugs in the military are not rare, they usually involve a smaller number of people.

The US Air Force Academy in Colorado was rocked by a rash of incidents last year with one cadet sentenced to three and a half years in a military prison for using and dealing drugs such as Ecstasy and LSD.

Sniffer dogs

Five cadets at the US Naval Academy in Maryland were court-martialled and jailed on drugs charges in 1986 and 15 others were expelled.

The Marines joined other branches of the US military last December in introducing random drugs testing.

Tests are becoming more sensitive and more are being done at weekends and on Mondays because by Tuesday, Ecstasy taken on a Saturday may be undetectable.

Dogs are also being trained to detect Ecstasy in lockers.

The case at Camp Lejeune comes at a time when respect for the military has never been higher, with Americans ranking it the country's most trustworthy institution.

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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2002, 10:53:38 AM »
While I was in the AF.. they pulled two busses up to a repair hangar and loaded 70% of the P.H.A.S.E. workers into them under arrest (about 50).

Two months later, they did the same thing to the Security Police baracks.

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2002, 11:23:03 AM »
Whoa tiger... They haven't been convicted. They've been arrested.

In this country, there is a difference.
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2002, 11:27:24 AM »
I have an indelible image in my head of red beret wearing soldiers with needles in their arms in the barracks of Fort Bragg, Home of the 82nd Airborne. This was in the late 60's during the Vietnam War. There seemed to be a whole lot of soldiers on heroin there, especially returnees from Vietnam. :(
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2002, 11:30:04 AM »
did someone intimate that they were convicted?

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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2002, 11:32:43 AM »
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Originally posted by hawk220
did someone intimate that they were convicted?


You did... sort of. But, in your defense you simply did a cut and paste of the BBC article. :D

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More than 80 US Marines and sailors have been convicted in one of the largest drug busts in US military history.
Investigators seized $1.5m of narcotics including Ecstasy, cocaine, LSD and methamphetamine at Camp Lejeune in North Carolina.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2002, 11:37:20 AM »
oic..you're right, it is sorta damning from the get go.  I can't imagine that the trial of 80 servicemen would have been completed in just 2 days.

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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2002, 11:51:04 AM »
True... but we silly americans will believe anything if we repeat it often enough. :D
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2002, 11:55:54 AM »
If they are military and they were arrested... they are gone at a minimum (though Jarheads might be more forgiving).

Its not a civil court.. its a military one.  Big difference.

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2002, 11:57:50 AM »
Still... even a military court is a far sight better than a Captain's Mast at sea.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2002, 03:47:44 PM »
0.001 percent. Why would you bother to mention it?

BTW. I was at Bragg in 1969. Strangely I dont remember any drug crazed, baby killers.
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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2002, 06:02:52 PM »
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0.001 percent. Why would you bother to mention it?

BTW. I was at Bragg in 1969. Strangely I dont remember any drug crazed, baby killers. - easymo




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Was it 0.001 percent of soldiers at Ft. Bragg in the late 60's that used drugs? You might be right, Easymo. Just curious whether you are just guessing at that. I saw a dozen soldiers shooting dope in one barracks on one occassion. Other soldiers told me it was happening a lot in the 82nd.

"Why would you bother to mention it?"
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It seems obvious. This thread is about the recent drug busts in the military. When I think about drug use in the military, I always remember the day I saw these guys using needles in the barracks.

"BTW. I was at Bragg in 1969. Strangely I dont remember any drug crazed, baby killers."
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 I don't remember any drug crazed baby killers either. What is your point?


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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2002, 07:58:31 PM »
Drugs in the military seem to be very "circle of friends" like.  Either you see it or you don't.  Most don't... but when you do... it seems to hit most of those in that circle.

It becomes very easy to believe it isn't going on because you never see it.  Its also very easy to believe "everyone does it" because you see it.

Its pretty wierd.  I don't miss that aspect of the military much at all.

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