Author Topic: What is really getting tiresome (Read 446 times)

MJHerman · « **Reply #15 on:** July 08, 2002, 10:45:23 AM »

Thanks for the offer Nifty, I'll check out the website.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #16 on:** July 08, 2002, 10:56:43 AM »

Funked is right, Aces High is simply a combination of some of the worlds best sim pilots congregated in one arena, and if your not flying with a squad, chances are your gonna die alot. Sure, there are a few "lone wolfers" who are very successful, but for the average "Joe Blow", you'd be better off joining a squadron and winging up.

~~(Edit: Thanks Nifty Actually look for any missions posted, lately, there are alot of good "Generals" out there in Knitland)~~

J_A_B · « **Reply #17 on:** July 08, 2002, 11:08:07 AM »

My opinion, contrary to some others here, is if you HAVE to join a squad in order to get kills, then you're not really improving as a virtual fighter pilot--you're just leeching off your squad.

The reason IMO to join a squad is for the comraderie and for doing the occasional mission and stuff, NOT to leech off them for kills. Not only will constantly flying in a group retard your skill development, it'll also cause you to get lazy with SA. I absolutely hate seeing people say "you'll need to join a squad in order to do well", because that's simply not true.

J_A_B

Ripsnort · « **Reply #18 on:** July 08, 2002, 11:21:09 AM »

JAB, information is constantly exchanged in squadrons, whether it be training, or new game play (new versions) or winging up to help your skills. No, you don't have to be in a squadron...but it certainly helps you as a pilot. No one knows "everything" and squadrons help you not only with building yourself into a better pilot, but the comradery itself is worth the price of admission (which that price is free)

I don't see winging up as "Leeching"...I see it as an opportunity for growth.

Nifty · « **Reply #19 on:** July 08, 2002, 11:58:42 AM »

Rip. The IJN mission the first night of 1.10 was a blast. Though it was terribly hard to destroy a town building with just the guns on the Val.

Personally, I've found that I got better because of flying with my squad. For me, SA comes from experience of being in a furball. When you're new, you're going to live longer in the fight if you've got someone watching your tail. Also, knowing there's someone that you have to watch out for helps your SA out. You find yourself starting to identify, assess, and prioritizing threats faster.

The caveat is all people learn differently. Some learn through independent trial and error better and some learn from others better.

Widewing · « **Reply #20 on:** July 08, 2002, 12:28:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort

I don't see winging up as "Leeching"...I see it as an opportunity for growth.

I agree. My squad (Ghosts) is largely made up of average pilots, backed up by a few of this game's good sticks. We also have a large group of relatively new pilots. Moreover, we have specialists too. Some guys/gals are real good at Buffing. Some are artists at Jabo work. A few are real killers in fighters. We take all of these skills and fly combined ops missions with great success. No one leeches from any squad member. We succeed or fail as a group. Personally, I like flying with Hammer, Kick, VX, BGS or Boat. You can absolutely rely on these guys to cover you.

As far as flying as a "lone wolf", several of us do it frequently. Last evening, most of the squad set off on an quickly planned jabo mission. Two of us remained behind to make sure they had a field to return to. I've managed over 50 bomber kills in 5 days hunting Buffs alone. I like "hunting". Being in a squad doesn't mean you can't do what you like to do. It means working as a team on squad night, and being able to get a reliable wingman anytime you need one. Being in a squad teaches the value of teamwork, because there is only so much one can accomplish alone.

My regards,

Widewing

Tronspir · « **Reply #21 on:** July 08, 2002, 12:46:57 PM »

Widewing, I can relate, there's some nights our squadmates feel like lonewolfing, others we feel like organizing...usually with new releases, we stay together because of the information exchange that goes on...very good! You can do both lone wolfing and squad operations in a squad, you can do only one without a squad

MJHerman · « **Reply #22 on:** July 08, 2002, 01:04:40 PM »

Wow, look at the can of worms I opened with the original post.

My original thoughts were that I was getting tired of any type of organization when flying online, whether it be "formal" i.e., squad, or "informal", i.e. those hanging around a base coming up with some semblance of a plan, or at least communicating a little bit better.

I find it quite sterile to be flying around without any sense of a team, since it seems to me the same as an "offline" game, with the difference being only that the cons. are not AI. Part of the online appeal to me is the fact that you are surrounded by a whole bunch of people....some may share your goals (in my case, taking/defending bases, kicking ass, winning as a group, etc.) while others don't (I didn't use "lone wolf" in any type of bad way, but rather as a description).

I don't see wingmen as increasing chances for a personal kill per se, but rather increasing the chances of a "team kill". The point of the game (again, as I see it...others may feel differently and that's cool) is to close with and destroy the enemy, achieve local air supremacy, bring in the buffs and the goons, and repeat

Anything that helps in achieving that goal is a good thing.

At the end of the day, was I am currently lacking online is not necessarily the skill set to kill (and be killed), but rather the "camraderie" of getting the job done, making new friends, and all dying together

Admittedly my SA needs some substantial improvement, but the way I see it, if WWII pilots relied on their wingmen there is nothing wrong with relying on mine (and vice versa) in our tiny virtual (albeit pizza shaped) world.

poopster · « **Reply #23 on:** July 08, 2002, 01:19:09 PM »

The most fun I have on a consistant basis is being up with 4 or 5 squadies in a furball base defense or attack. Alota fun.

Like to go ahuntin too and do quite a bit of it.

But a small group of squadies with their hair on fire is really hard to beat

Wlfgng · « **Reply #24 on:** July 08, 2002, 01:45:27 PM »

nuttin' wrong with lone 'wolsquealing from time to time

SKurj · « **Reply #25 on:** July 08, 2002, 01:54:44 PM »

I am in a squad... and i still spend 90% o my time flyin solo

i am not in the squad because i need wingies, or because i like to do mishuns(i don't most of the time)

its just cuz well.. i get soo lonely sometimes...

SKurj

superpug1 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 08, 2002, 06:29:16 PM »

no one drives the cv

MJHerman · « **Reply #27 on:** July 09, 2002, 08:11:40 AM »

No one drives the CV? I was under the impression that highest rank had ability to control the CV, thereby "drive" it.

If I am wrong, I stand corrected in advance.

popeye · « **Reply #28 on:** July 09, 2002, 09:19:05 AM »

MJHerman,

You are correct. However, no one "drives" the CV as they would a plane or vehicle. They set the course by setting waypoints, and the CV automatically follows that course.

MJHerman · « **Reply #29 on:** July 09, 2002, 09:31:52 AM »

I was using "drive" very loosely. Those of us who are former army always referred to the fishheads (err, the navy) as "ship drivers".