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Offline Timebomb_Man

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« on: July 06, 2002, 04:17:39 AM »
Why is hitech giving us P40s and planes that are inferior to non-perk planes we already have ,, nobody will use a p40 when they can use a p51 i petition that they add intresting planes instead of old planes of the new models we can already use ... take this plane for explample the Ikarus IK-3 yugoslavia plane .. reply to this message if you agree with me

Offline Dr Zhivago

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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2002, 08:49:24 AM »
Rogozarsky IK-3 would be nice early war plane addition, why we cant have more early war €uro planes... ?

Max speed 527 km/h (328 mph; 284 kt) at 5400 meters (17,715 ft)
421 km/h (262 mph; 227 kt) at sea level
Cruising 400 km/h (248.5 mph; 216 kt) at 5000 meters (16,405 ft)
Range 785 km (488 miles; 424 nm); endurance 1 hours 15 minutes
Ceiling 9460 meters (30,800 ft)
Climb 5000 meters (16,405 ft) in 7 minutes
armament
one Hizpano 404 cannon firing trough prop hub (60 rounds)
two 7.92mm (0.312in) FN MGs (??? rounds)

...the first IK-3 were delivered in summer of 1940 to the experimental unit, the 52nd Fighter Squadron, whose pilots preferred the indigenous design to both Bf-109 E-3 and the Hurricane I. The IK-3 was appreciably more maneuverable then the German fighter and could turn inside the Hurricane with ease. Its controls were exceptionally well co-ordinate and maintenance proved simple despite the fighter’s experimental status, a factor of extreme importance in view of the poor equipment of most Yugoslav service airfields.

Dogfights over Belgrade - The First Day
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Re: Peitition for "Reason"
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2002, 09:38:06 AM »
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Why is hitech giving us P40s and planes that are inferior to non-perk planes we already have ,,


because many of us asked them to. And the plane that you suggest seems pretty inferior also :confused:

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nobody will use a p40 when they can use a p51

I will, because getting a kill in a p-40 is much more gratifying (to some of us anyhow)

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i petition that they add intresting planes instead of old planes of the new models we can already use


And let me guess... you get to choose what is interesting? No thank you. "old planes of the new models we can already use"? The P-40 and P-51 are not the same plane. The F4F is not the "same" as the F6F.

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... take this plane for explample the Ikarus IK-3 yugoslavia plane ..

That looks pretty cool. I'd love to see it modeled (althouth it wouldn't be my first choice). But why fly that when you can fly a zeke?
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reply to this message if you agree with me


Does this mean that I wasn't supposed to reply since I don't agree?

And Zhivago, 1.09 was almost all early war Eto. I imagine more will come sooner or later, but it's not as if early war ETO is forsaken.
« Last Edit: July 06, 2002, 09:43:28 AM by Sikboy »
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Offline whgates3

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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2002, 01:26:27 PM »
People will use a P-40 when they want to fly a plane that can out turn a P-51 and out dive a Zero

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2002, 02:26:59 PM »
Ill give u some reason

and so much more beautiful :D

- bombbay
- tail gunner
- twin boom 2 engined
- 8 guns in the nose

A challenge to model this one

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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2002, 05:04:43 PM »
WE NEED MORE CRAP PLANES!!!!!!

Check this site out
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/Forum35/HTML/007540-4.html

Check out this Yugoslavian beauty


And for you Helicopter fans, THE ROTORBUGGY!


And why have 1 wing when you can have 9!!!!!!!


And everyones favorite french bomber, THE AMOIT 143!!

Offline whgates3

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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2002, 10:56:25 PM »
lol Soviet, but you forgot to add maxipad w/ wings
LOL

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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2002, 11:17:45 PM »
this thread wasnt intended to "force anybodys ideas on another" its great you have an opinion but i didnt make this post to have mine thrashed. and frankly your not going to change my opinion id rather have old warplanes that we dont have then old warplanes of newer models ... and its obvious the p40 isnt the same plane as the p51 but in all respect. a simulated real combat mission would require bombers and high flying alt planes. something the p51 is more fitted for. i thought that was what AH was combat simulator... try working with your team and get the hell out of your p40. but then again this is my opinion and if you dont like it .. dont spam my thread with downing other peoples opinion.. post your opinion instead ... like others haev done .. like i like the p40 because it does this to the zero etc. its a valid opinion that i respect and anyway ive lost track where im going ..
anyway ... IF AH IS GOING TO PUT OLD PLANES IN THE GAME AT LEAST DO COUNTRIES WE DONT ALREADY HAVE american british and german ... nothing wrong with a yugoslav plane or a french plane or something geez besides if they are going to make a scenario they should have the plane sets all ready instead of integrating them before hand just so they can do it im tired of typeing later

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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2002, 11:18:17 PM »
i meant the 51 compared to the p40 ... im not saying the p51 is the best plane or anything infact i fly a fw190 because most people dont fly german planes besides the 109... makes it intresting for me ..
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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2002, 07:37:25 AM »
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this thread wasnt intended to "force anybodys ideas on another" its great you have an opinion but i didnt make this post to have mine thrashed.

Then don't open up by calling this post "Petitioin for Reason" because the implication is that what is happeneing now is unreasonable. Your article goes on to say that the planes being added are "uninteresting" and questioning why HTC put these planes in here. It's great that you have an opinion, but don't express it by thrashing mine :rolleyes:



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 and frankly your not going to change my opinion id rather have old warplanes that we dont have then old warplanes of newer models ... and its obvious the p40 isnt the same plane as the p51 but in all respect. a simulated real combat mission would require bombers and high flying alt planes. something the p51 is more fitted for.


You should probably learn the game before you get all lippy on the boards. By this standard, we should only fly three or four planes, the B-17 the Lanc the pony and maybe the jug. Since a "simulated real combat mission" requires high alt bombers with hight alt escorts. I guess we should throw in the 109G10 and the 190 A8 so that there are some planes to shoot down those bombers. :rolleyes:

No, there are many different types of missions, and not all of them take place at 20,000 feet. Try the tank battles on furball island for example.

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 i thought that was what AH was combat simulator... try working with your team and get the hell out of your p40.

So now I'm not a team player because I and my squad don't turn lazy circles around a bunch of buffs at 20,000 feet for hours on end? :rolleyes: What kind of teamater are you in your slow moving Yugo plane? Really. This silly thinking might be an attemt to undermine my position, but it does nothing to support yours.

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but then again this is my opinion and if you dont like it .. dont spam my thread with downing other peoples opinion.. post your opinion instead ... like others haev done .. like i like the p40 because it does this to the zero etc.

I did give my opinion. You asked "why fly a P-40 when you can fly a p51"? I said "It's more gratifying" You asked "why is HTC giving us P-40s?" and I said "Because some of us asked for them. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't make it go away.
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its a valid opinion that i respect

worrying about whether or not you respect my opinion; it keeps me up at night.

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anyway ... IF AH IS GOING TO PUT OLD PLANES IN THE GAME AT LEAST DO COUNTRIES WE DONT ALREADY HAVE american british and german ... nothing wrong with a yugoslav plane or a french plane or something geez besides if they are going to make a scenario they should have the plane sets all ready instead of integrating them before hand just so they can do it im tired of typeing later


If you're going to bash the P-40 as an addition to AH, you probably shouldn't bring up scenarios. The P-40 is one of the most versitile planes in the set when it comes to scenario play. I don't think you actually know what you want, but you are trying mighty hard to make some sort of point.

As I said, I have no problem with having a Yugo plane added to the set. I'm on record as wanting to see more Italian and at least one French model. I'd even like to see the Australian Boomerang modeled. I like diversity in the plane set. But don't come out of the gates with this "Unreasonable" nonsense. There are pleanty of reasons for the 1.10 planeset that are reasonable. In fact, here's a thread I started a while ago where I and a few others tried to nail down the best way to find new planes to add.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49048
It was a constructive exchange of ideas. Mostly because Bullethead and I didn't polorize the argument from the outset by calling one another unreasonable or our planes uninteresting.

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2002, 10:53:07 AM »
The reason is simple:  Scenarios and Special Events

We needed these planes in order to run certain scenarios.  HTC tells us which theater they would like to concentrate on and we tell them which planes we would like to see.  They then decide which planes to model.  Dont automatically assume that these planes were modelled for MA use.  :)

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2002, 11:40:24 AM »
sicboy ... grow up your thrust to be better then everybody is ridculious ... and the person above me ... if you read in my post i said AH should have the models for the special events all ready ... we pay money why shouldnt they work a bit? i think all new planes should be modeled for MA and the scenario ones should be downloaded before the scenario starts maybe a couple days or so .... im not even going to argue with you sicboy ... take your dumb negitative attitude and bring it somewhere else will you

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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2002, 08:17:18 PM »
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sicboy ... grow up your thrust to be better then everybody is ridculious ... and the person above me ... if you read in my post i said AH should have the models for the special events all ready ... we pay money why shouldnt they work a bit? i think all new planes should be modeled for MA and the scenario ones should be downloaded before the scenario starts maybe a couple days or so .... im not even going to argue with you sicboy ... take your dumb negitative attitude and bring it somewhere else will you


Indeed

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and I have a negative attitude lol. What a rube.

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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2002, 09:29:18 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2002, 10:09:19 PM »
sicboy have you ever tried typing your own message instead of quoteing others and replying to it? because i have been searching the posts and you do this in every thread and it seems everybody doesnt like you in each one of them... why dont you try to use your own words and damn outright type something from your mouth instead of quoteing and responding ... cause thats all you do .. quote.... is that how you talk in real life? does sombody say something to you and you repeat it back to them and tell them where they forgot to breath? ... im geting ready for the lame quote after this and then the response "and your original" or some dumb thing like that ... grow up and stop being a predicable little punk