Lost Wingtips vs. Ability to Land

[UnDeth]

110's can't do it.

I've tried full trim, and even powering up the engine on the missing wing tip side.  110's often lose wingtips on a merge, because of their large wingspan.

Full rudder can keep them in the air but trying to land seems impossible.

Undeth

[HFMudd]

Hmmm, reading the above posts it seems obvious in retrospect that *which* wingtip is lost makes a huge difference.  It makes sense that if you loose the wingtip towards which the engine wants to turn you then you will have a much harder time than if you can use the torque of the engine to help keep you horizontal.

This would explain the conflicting reports on the F4U above.  

Looks to me like the chart needs to have two columns, one for the right wing and one for the left.

[bozon]

f6f landing with both wings clipped (no ailrons too, just rudder and elevators)
f6f clipped wings

as opposed to what 10bear said, 262 landing with 1 clipped wing (rough landing, but safe). the missing part is still stuck in some B17 out there:
262 landing

done it in a p-47 as well.

Bozon

[Kanth]

Incorrect, I Have film.

Originally posted by Soda

- Typhoon CANNOT - it remains controllable right up to the speed to deploy gear but can't remain upright.
-Soda
The Assassins.

[Wotan]

i have landed 109e4
 262
all 190
zeke
arado
 a bunch of planes  

Turn off combat trim

adjust all trim (rudder, aileron) to the opposite side.

Trim elevator up

find a joystick position the keeps the plane from rolling.

Once you are near an nme field dont worry about where you land just use your throttle to power down and decend.

Hold gear till the last second on some planes. Some planes benefit from flaps others dont. once you are the ground you can drive to the runway.

To bleed off speed keep you elevator trim all the way up and use a little back pressure on the stick.

[MJHerman]

Sort of off topic, but I recently read a story about the real life prototype F8F.  It seems the engineers who designed the wings actually contemplated the fact that a wing tip, or portion thereof, could be lost in combat.  In order to counter the asymmetrical lift that would result, the engineers came up with the bright idea of having explosive bolts in the wings.  The idea was that if the pilot lost one wing tip he could "lose" the other by firing the bolts.

As was indicated in the story, the foregoing was not a popular idea with Bearcat pilots, and was dropped rather quickly.

[HFMudd]

To quote the Farside, "Wings stay on.  Wings fall off."

[Steven]

F4F-4 doesn't fly so well with the left wingtip and ailerion missing.  I thought flaps might help my carrier landing but it didn't seem to do a thing.

[Soda]

Kanth,
  which tip?  I lost my right one last night in a Typhoon, fought it for a while, managed to maintain control, could even climb, but as soon as I tried to slow down it became less and less controllable untli it just flopped over.  Without speed it was uncontrollable.  I even zoom climbed it at one point, got the flaps and gear out when stopped near the top, couldn't recover it or maintain control though.  My sink rate was such that I was doomed to smack the ground like a stone.

-Soda
Assassin.

[Innominate]

If you can get your flaps down(The real trick is slowing down enough to do that, without losing control)  most planes become controllable.

[poopster]

I can get a hog down, but once down it gets crazy minus a flap..hot

Anyone attempted landing with a damaged tail wheel ?? In a F4U this afternoon and had visions of groundlooping flashing before my eyes. So I belly landed it.

[Karnak]

Mosquito cannot.  It remains controlable if you keep the speed above 200 or 250.  Below that and you'll tumble.  I was using all the tricks, full opposite trim, rudder over, ect, ect.  It just can't get slow enough to lower flaps and gear while still being controlable.

[FDutchmn]

I have landed an N1K2-J and La5 without wingtips.  Not the C.205

[Kanth]

Soda, I believe it was the Right tip and I came in pretty fast for the landing and it wasn't pretty but I stayed upright and coasted to a stop.

I'd look at the film and tell you but it seems with this new version that more than half of my films are non-viewable (lock the film viewer up or give error) so I can't tell you for sure...

went thru over a 100 films looking for it tho...=(

One thing by your description, on the typh the flaps come down after the gear, (pretty much useless) just leave the flaps up and land it, if the gear are down you can land it. don't futz with the flaps.

It's ugly but can be done.. don't manuver much and make fast landing.

Originally posted by Soda
Kanth,
  which tip?  I lost my right one last night in a Typhoon, fought it for a while, managed to maintain control, could even climb, but as soon as I tried to slow down it became less and less controllable untli it just flopped over.  Without speed it was uncontrollable.  I even zoom climbed it at one point, got the flaps and gear out when stopped near the top, couldn't recover it or maintain control though.  My sink rate was such that I was doomed to smack the ground like a stone.

-Soda
Assassin.

[Kirin]

109s can land with a wingtip missing. I did it thrice (and tried it a million times) in my AH career - have film of 1 landing in a G10!! Don't remember which version of AH though!
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190s are a piece of cake as long as you have some rudder left. Straight on runway 80% of the time.
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Now for the hard stuff - try landing without elevator and ailerons!! Dunno if I ever actually made it (that dmg happens rare enough alright) - use throttle in combination with rudder to control pitch, vice versa for yaw, rolling... - the problem is that you have to stay fast in order to descend slowly - too fast for a landing... get slow and you won't have any control over pitch --> nose falls, so does plane!