Hammerhead stall...

[Biggles]

Originally posted by Daff
"a hammerhead actually involves a tail slide back down a couple hundred feet and the plane flipping nose down, right? "

Nope.  In most aerobatics planes, you start the turn at around 50 knots. The idea is to pivot around the wingtip.
Daff

I agree. Never done aerobatics in real life (not even in my bipe) but flew the heck out of an old program called "Flight Unlimited". One of the cool features of FU was you could have an instructor show you how to fly the aerobatic maneuvers, then critique you on your own attempts. No tail slide in a hammerhead. In a "tail slide", however, the recovery involves the nose of the plane finally flipping to straight down, and you exit the maneuver in the opposite direction you started it in.

[Griego]

There's a person that fly's Warbirds that use that technic when flying and fighting the p38 Turbot and he does this very well.

 He uses it to turn itddddddddddddddddddddddddddd ddddd like a banshee in heat. He gets that p38 to turn very tight  tighter than if you didn't it.

 FM in Warbirds and AH are very similar.

I've tried this technic but my fingers and brain aren't fast enough I also forget the hit all engine toggle and throttle the wrong engine at the wrong time. This technic would take me a while to learn to do correctly.

 I guess if you set up a couple of keys or joystick buttons in the right place it could be done.

[cajun]

Zip file is too big.... how can I reduce the size?

[cajun]

Don't think my other link worked, ill try winzip file...

[Wotan]

hammerheads/wingovers are relatively easy. What sw mentioned about tail sliding is not a hammerhead. Tail slides atleast in the planes I tried are impossible in AH.

[akak]

Originally posted by AKSWulfe
cc Midnight, a hammerhead actually involves a tail slide back down a couple hundred feet and the plane flipping nose down, right?

This is just a way to "force it" into the game.
-SW

Isn't that a tail stall?


ack-ack

[akak]

Originally posted by Midnight
Your right Wulfe

Some planes will do this better than others also.

It can "almost" be done in a P-51.

I would bet this is near impossible to force in an N1K2, better known as "the plane that won't stall"

P-38L is probably the best plane to practice it in since you don't have to worry about engine torque.


Ack-Ack

[Daff]

The plane never stalls in a hammerhead turn, which is why the british term 'stall turn' is actually incorrect. (But it wont stop me from preferring that term:D)

Daff

[Voss]

Take a Typhoon up and try it (go right).

Daff, a 'stall turn' in FAI is precisely that. The a/c does not stall, but rotates smoothly, and solely in the yaw axis. The inboard wing should transcribe a half-circle about one-half wingspan. So,...

There was a movement in some of the aerobatic arenas to remove hammerhead type moves and replace them with the humpty-bump. If, you've ever watched the Unlimited classes, you know that manuevers do tend to be violently aggressive, but the tamer sport classes differ.

Anyway, the humpty-bump, stall turn, and split ess (I missed a few) are all elementary manuevers, and yet are 'turn-arounds' in the upper classes (not the focus of attention, yet often critical for score). The humpty-bump, immelmann, and 1-1/2 turn spin are higher 'K' factor and are not considered elementary (again, I missed a few).

I have yet to see anyone properly execute a double-immelmann. I'll film one after the film player is fixed.

[Turbot]

Originally posted by Griego
There's a person that fly's Warbirds that use that technic when flying and fighting the p38 Turbot and he does this very well.

 He uses it to turn itddddddddddddddddddddddddddd ddddd like a banshee in heat. He gets that p38 to turn very tight  tighter than if you didn't it.

 FM in Warbirds and AH are very similar.

I've tried this technic but my fingers and brain aren't fast enough I also forget the hit all engine toggle and throttle the wrong engine at the wrong time. This technic would take me a while to learn to do correctly.

 I guess if you set up a couple of keys or joystick buttons in the right place it could be done.

I managed to get a dual throttle hooked up and of late have been using it more.  I don't think I could do it with keyboard at all (would have to look away from screen and that is death for sure).

[Nomde]

Just a side note of history....

The manuver herein described as a "Hammerhead" was actually what was referred to in WW1 as an "Immelman".

Somewhere during the course of events the original "Immelman" manuver became the following:
pull back on the stick (as in a loop) then when you're at the top of the loop, aileron/roll over and continue in the oposite direction. Good for attacking higher plane hdg in opposite direction.
You will tranfer E for altitude and will only have enough time for a snap-shot, but that's all you need in some instances.

I don't have the historical references in front of me to know when or how this name/manuver change occurred. Does anyone else have information to verify this?

[gatt]

What Daff said: thats the way you should do a real hammerhead.

I did many hammerheads some times ago in a CAP10 aerobatic trainer. However, I am not able to do it in AcesHigh.

You know, IIRC AirWarrior let you do nice hammerheads. Go figure

[Daff]

Nomde, my impression was that the original immelman, was more of a wingover.

Gatt, had a flight in a Cap10 a couple of weeks ago..very nice plane . (Didnt do any stall turns, though).

Daff

[rabbit]

and i thought i was the only one that had this problem in AH..


my hammer heads look more like a wallow and  then a sorta out of control stall thing.  no matter what air speed i start the manuver.

where i come from a hammer head is to hang the bird on its prop. then just as it tail slides a bit, then kick rudder to rotate the AC on its yaw axis. it would be super useful if it could be done without the nasty habit of wallowing around then trying to recover the dang thing.

I have been trying to do this off line almost every dayfor months. and if i feel froggy i  have tried it online  only to stall out and  take a chance on  eatting moocho lead


if some of you all that  can do this in AH would like to film it and post it that would be kick ass.  because for the life of me i cant figger it out.


Btw very cool thread

[Fester']

Does a 110g2 have counter rotating props?  Or does it torque a specific way, sorry for such a dweb question.