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Offline ra

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A-20G missing a gun?
« on: July 08, 2002, 08:16:54 PM »
I've seen references which say that the A-20G we have in AH had a .50 cal gun in a ventral slot.  Others references don't mention it.  Anyone know if it should have this gun?

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2002, 03:15:46 AM »
I've seen a number of places which state that there IS a manually aimed .50 ventral MG.  I've been unable to find any photographic evidence though.  From all of the pictures i've seen, there doesnt appear to be any ventral firing position.

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I've run into a number of sites with pilot bio's and photos, which clearly state there were two gunners, so, I expect we ARE missing a .50 MG in the ventral position.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2002, 05:36:48 AM »
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I've seen a number of places which state that there IS a manually aimed .50 ventral MG.  I've been unable to find any photographic evidence though.  From all of the pictures i've seen, there doesnt appear to be any ventral firing position.

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I've run into a number of sites with pilot bio's and photos, which clearly state there were two gunners, so, I expect we ARE missing a .50 MG in the ventral position.




well, you've seen a number of places and sites which state that.

How about giving the URL so everyone can see them?. All my books staate clearly that the glazed nose version of the A20 had three crewmembers (pilot-bombardier-gunner) and that the solid nosee one had two crewmembers (pilot-gunner).

There is NO reference at all in my books about a ventral gun.

I think you're confusing teh invader with the havoc.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2002, 06:57:08 AM »
« Last Edit: July 09, 2002, 07:09:28 AM by Innominate »
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2002, 08:32:41 AM »
Yes, the A-20G does have a .50 cal in the ventral position. Why HTC didn't model the A-20 with it is a mystery to me. There are tons of references to verify this.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2002, 08:34:41 AM »
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Yes, the A-20G does have a .50 cal in the ventral position. Why HTC didn't model the A-20 with it is a mystery to me. There are tons of references to verify this.

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Do you have any photographs detailing the location of the ventral gun?  Or where exactly the firing position is?
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2002, 08:45:52 AM »
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Do you have any photographs detailing the location of the ventral gun?  Or where exactly the firing position is?


Probably. I'll check when I get home tonight.

Meanwhile read this:
Douglas A-20

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2002, 08:56:36 AM »
That position was left out intentionally of the Boston 3 and A20-G because of lack of photographic reference.  If someone can actually find what it looked like inside the plane from that position, then it may be possible to add it to the plane.  I spent a long, long time looking for pictures to no avail.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2002, 09:34:53 AM »
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That position was left out intentionally of the Boston 3 and A20-G because of lack of photographic reference.  If someone can actually find what it looked like inside the plane from that position, then it may be possible to add it to the plane.  I spent a long, long time looking for pictures to no avail.


I'll check with Bodie and Bowers, maybe we can help you out with this.

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Offline J_A_B

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2002, 12:04:36 PM »
You know SUPERFLY.....if there's no pictures of it anywhere, then nobody would ever know if you got it wrong  :)



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Offline Dnil

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2002, 12:17:02 PM »
So is the Boston we have the same as the french DB-7?  If so its missing the engine nacelle guns also.  Fired by the gunner, foot pedals I believe.  They only fired direct 6 but hey, anything helps.  

Also the Squadron Signal, A-20 in action has some pictures of the tunnel gun, but I dont think there are any from the inside.

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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2002, 01:26:44 PM »
Will this do for proof of a lower gun position?



I can't find an internal shot, but that open slot is in an A20G.
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Offline Kieran

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Oh, what the heck, more evidence...
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2002, 01:31:21 PM »
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Offline SKurj

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2002, 02:20:55 PM »
Oh and damage list only shows 5 fixed guns +)


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Offline Charon

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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2002, 03:08:19 PM »
I found these links that might be of some help.

1st, a DVD of the an A-20 for modelers that states it shows the ventral position (a .30 cal but it should be similar in .50 configuration, with perhaps a different mount). http://www.geocities.com/modvid/


2nd, there is an A-20 in the HTC neighborhood (sort of) that you might be able to get access to. Don't know if the ventral position is restored though. http://www.lsfm.org/aircraft/havoc.htm


Finally, are there any quality scale models you could use that detail this position? What about using models in general for these purposes? Do they provide enough perspective to work with?

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