me 109 f4

[Apar]

109F4 saved my butt against Spit and Hurricane in last Sundays TOD. At the end of the frame I fought  off 3 spits otd S of A6 (killed one of em while dancing with all three) before help came in,
It is very very good in the verticle.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Apar
109F4 saved my butt against Spit and Hurricane in last Sundays TOD. At the end of the frame I fought  off 3 spits otd S of A6 (killed one of em while dancing with all three) before help came in,
It is very very good in the verticle.

During the everlasting furball at A167 last night, I took up a 109F after flying the FM-2. I went after the first Spitfire I saw, a Mk.IX. I suppose the pilot figured that he could shake me with a few hard turns. However, he found out otherwise to his consternation. I then singled out a Yak-9U. Once again, the pilot assumed he could out-turn the 109F. Discovering that he could not, he went vertical. Oops, that really was a mistake. Why some guys use the Yak as a stall-fighter is a mystery to me (I fly it often). Its greatest advantages are its speed and acceleration. Engaging in low speed turn fights is a good way to get your Yak whacked.

When flying the 109F, I love the opportunity to frustrate Spit jocks. However, a very well flown SpitV is quite dangerous. Moreover, the limited killing power of the 109F requires careful shooting. Like the Yak, the 109F is a plane for the experienced pilot, rather than for the newbie, for whom the Spitfire is always a safe choice.

My regards,

Widewing

[PrillerJ]

Spit 5 Vs 109F

Spit 5 advantages
*Turns Better
*Greater Firepower(if gunpods in 109 not used)
* Better visibility on 6 possion

Bf 109 F advantages
*Dives Better
*Accelerates better
*Climbs Better
*Faster att ALL altitudes

The 109 F is superior too the Spit 5 if flown by a good pilot.

Spiral and circle climb :-) The name of the game conserning the 109 F vs the Spif 5. Remember when fasing early war planes use it as an E figther when facing later war planes use it as a stall figther.

[Angus]

The 109F is pretty good.
Pity, that the N1K2 has to be the enemy, not to mention the dreaded Spit IX, both of which outperform the 109F in almost every category.
The 109F is well matched against the SpitV, hovever ,I put my money on he Spitty.
But the best thing about it in AH, is that your enemy does not know which 109 you are in (untill he is close enough to actually see it). It is a good bait, and I basically think it shines against the USAF fighters.

[Furzy]

OK So If I up in a 109 F4 I call it "Fried"?. Thats nothing new.

Furzy

edit:.. Just adding I do fly 109's a lot though not G10 as its dweeby, but from now on If Im in an F4 Im in a Fritz .

[Hristo]

Put newbies in both Spit V and 109F and Spitfire will win every time.

Put experienced pilots in both and 109 will gain the initiative, while Spit will be on the defense throughout the fight.

For its time, 109F is a great plane. It gained performance and maneuverability over 109E.

One on one vs Spitfire, you should first outclimb it (from co-E start). After that you BnZ it at will. You only have to watch for Spit not to give you a HO shot. If you screw up, you can outdive the Spit and climb above it again. Your WEP cools down quite faster than his so you will win prolonged E fight no problem.

Against Spit IX you can even turn, but Spit still holds a slight advantage. You are marginally faster and better accelerator, while climb advantage is negligible. Careful here.

How's 109G-2, compared to 109F-4. I know I like 109G-6 pretty much, it adds some punch. It can E fight as successfully F-4 and G-2, but it is a better BnZ bird.

Another thing I noticed. If you watch climb curve for 109F-4, you see it peaks on the deck with something close to 4000 fpm. 109G-6 manages the same, but its peak is cca 4300 fpm at 5k. Interesting .


zizouuu

[Moose1]

The Bf 109F-4's always been one of my favorite planes in every sim (AW, WB, now here).  It's a challenge for me to get kills in it, and moreso to actually land them.

One thing that the 109F-4 does extremely well is the spiral climb.  If you've got an enemy in your rear quarter but he doesn't have the energy you do, it's possible to haul the F-4 up in a spiral climb and the bad guy can't follow you and will have to pull his nose down--and if you're really lucky he'll stall and spin.  When he does, you can fall on him.  You have to be pretty good at judging his energy state, though, because if he's got too much speed, you're just giving him a nice planform shot when he gets his nose up there.  This works against Spit Vs, but not as well against the IX because of its phenomenal E retention and climb.  It also works well against those pesky FM2s and Hurricane IICs, or against any late-war high-speed fighter who's stupidly gotten low and slow with you.

The biggest drawbacks to the F-4 are the visibility and the guns.  I can get good solid 1/2 to 2/3 seconds worth of hits on people and they fly away with no damage whatsoever.  I think I may be hitting with the 7.7mm and missing with the 20mm, or perhaps a single MG 151/20 can't inflict a whole lot of damage.  Anything more than two kills a sortie is very impressive in my book.

[udet]

you can outturn spits by changing the plane of your turns from horizontal to oblique. The more powerful engine of the F4 can thus be used for the climbing part of the turn, and it's diving performance for the diving part of the turn. While the Spit,as usual, circles like mad in level flight, you simply drop behind him,usually with speed advantage.
Of course, no newbie in the Spit would think of that and they'd crap themselves thinking the 109 has outturned them. While you are performing out of plane turns, watch your E. You don't want to stall or lose too much altitude.

[Blank]

My favourite plane:

Its a challenge to shot people down and live, but I get more good fight messages in this plane than any other I fly (probably cause this is my plane) and fights last 1v1 as you dont have uber guns, tend to be slowly nibble at target.
doesn't work over 28k very well so can make  high buffs a problem, it tends to fall out of sky if you turn to hard

guns are a bit weedy, but if you set up right 1 pass buffs arent that hard, but 2 passes are more normal for me (in ver 1.09 in ver 1.10 you can take out buff formation in 1 pass LOL!)

its fun, you get a sense of achievment when you land a sortie, and you get LOADS of perkies!