Cheaters?

[palef]

I know what AKdej. is saying here. I also understand how Oscar feels.

For me even the buildings have been cheating of late.

A20G, fly across city from one corner to the other and drop 4x500s - nuthing. Fly the next set of opposing corners and drop 4x 500s - nuthing.

Then I'm about to to line up a strafing pass and boom the city erupts and there's only a couple of buildings left, and the buffer is full of Building Destroyed type messages.

Damn those cheating buildings!

Just lag - I relogged, and things were sweet again.

I haven't ever seen a cheat in 5 years of MMOG Air Combat Sims, and even if I had I'd be more inclined to put it down to the vagaries of the network that has been constructed voluntarily over the last 30 years, and only recently commercialised. Granny in Siberia downloading 30MB of Cross Stitch patterns for her 9 month winter project activity plan screw the whole Internet if the right (or wrong) set of circumstances come into play. Most Telcos share bandwidth and processing with Voice traffic. 3 or 4 outages in continental Telephone/Internet networks can affect the traffic routing for the whole planet.

I'm old enough to remember when Computer Battleships was an amazing game. I'm grateful that I can participate in a sim that uses simulated machinery from an era that fasacinates me. And it costs me less to do it than each month than I used to drink on a Friday night ..mumble.. years ago.

Just accept the stuff you can't change and move on. If it still really bugs you then find an alternative outlet. That would be a shame though because we don't want to see you go Oscar.

Regards

palef

[deSelys]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Ah.. sorry... guess he musta clearly known that it was a kill vs an exit.

He musta just exited when he was in the plane too.  Afterall... it was exactly the same both times.

Right?

Its not a problem when someone comes and asks what is up with this situation wanting to know what could be wrong.  Instead, we get another "cheaters" post.

Once again.. I invite you or anyone else to even remotely describe what was being accomplished with this cheat that couldn't kill people 1.5k away from him?  Or made only his wings fall off of a plane instead of blowing up?  I'm missing that here.

Really... just what was the cheat?

AKDejaVu

First, I want to point out that I can usually tell when the guy died or exited in a GV (I can explain it to you if you ask). Of course, lag can have some weird effect in this case.


I haven't checked it, but I'm pretty confident you're the one who used the words 'cheat' or 'cheater' the most in this thread.

Btw, Title of the thread: Cheaters?

Although I don't think I've ever seen a real cheat in a MMOG, I've seen lots of 'exploits' allowing some players to get an undeserved advantage. You want an example? The troopers running sideways in WWIIOL (until latest big release). I'm sure you've heard about some in the past of AH.

So instead of antagonizing the guy at the first post, why don't you share you omniscience with him? This was my advice of the day.

As I don't seem to have as much free time as you (6500 posts wow), I'll have to close this little discussion here. So please let me use your favourite line,

Now I'm done with you[/I]

[AKDejaVu]

I refer you to the title of this thread.

Its not "what happened?"

Its not "something strange...."

I don't like labeling someone a cheater.  I don't like it when others do it with zero information other than "this was wierd".  I did not use the term to label anyone.  I don't think the author of this thread had the same intentions.

Do this... use a stereotyping type word often used to describe people based solely on appearance... on that is viewed as insulting by many... then say it to some one in the form of a question.  See if it lessens the impact of the use.

AKDejaVu

[sparkzz]

Lighten up DejaVu.  You keep referring to the title of this thread as 'cheaters', but whats that funny thing at the end of the word.

  Oh wait "?" is that punctuation symbol signifying a question.  I realise your frustration with the numerous 'I got killed- they must be cheating posts' but that wasnt my interpretation Oscar's post at all.  Something didnt seem right and so he posted to ask about it.  

Sparkzz

[moose]

ah looks like DjV is making up for his absence

:-)

[Masherbrum]

My question is, If he was CONCERNED, why did he use Cheaters? as the subject?  I see AK's point of view on this.  Everyone can say at any given time that "Hey, he's cheating, this is BS"  

Why do people beat the same drum?  My answer, nothing better to post and why not troll.

Masher

[CarlosL]

Man you guys made a big deal out of this thread.  This guy is just posting some that happened while he was playing.

[T0J0]

Unfortunatly the post could have been named "blue cheese"
 and the postie would have been flamed by someone offended by the words cheese on this message board...

[T0J0]

I stand Corrected! " as I wipe the spit coffee of of my flat screen"
 actually got some up my nose too "Ouch"
Think its actually "Bleu" but what the hell do I know ehhhh!

No. It would be because the cheese was called "blue" and not "Blau" which would be the appropriate nomenclature for a Kurt Tank inspired Deutsche cheese. So get your facts straight

[Ripsnort]

The very FIRST thing I do if/when I see something strange is bring up the clipboard, then check NET STATUS toggle, and check my net status.  If everythings flat, then I contact the individual and ask him to check his net status.  99 out of 100 times one of you has a bad connect...and as we forewarned many times prior to V1.10 release, the downloading would wreak havoc on main arena connections (although I would say this release there has been probably the least havoc on my net status of all other releases!, Good job Skuzzy!)

[Fester']

DJV who the hell nominated you as the PC police?  Oscar, though the term Cheaters? was his post title, took a lot of time to clearly post  the sequence of events and then closed with asking if something like packets could be manipulated.

You're going off half cocked here.

I think, in addition to a WOW award, we need a Monistat 7 award for excessive squeakyness due to... "Feminine problems"

You get the first nomination

[Turbot]

On some vehicles I am see two types of hit sprites - the normal kind on one vehicle - then little tiny hit sprites that have no effect on another in the same vehicle sortie (where this is much easier to observe).  I did make some films of this, but figure it is something that is being worked on.  But there most assuredly are at least two distinct types of hit sprite.

In the instnace that I most don't understand I had killed two guys (osti and tank) then a third tank comes along that won't die.  I put several hits (hit sprites) on him but he continued to close put 5 near point blank (i.e. wasn't even necessary to aim anymore) AP rounds into the guy  - got those little hit sprites tried the front, the track the turret - got a hit sprite where I aimed but no damage!  HE was moving so I know he was not resupplying.

He kills me (one ping of course!   The other tank says he hit him at least 5 times as well before the second tank did finally kill him.   So sometimes there is somethign wierd that goes on that seems to defy explanation.

[Grizzly]

I've seen some things in 1.1 that I haven't seen before. This probably should be posted on the bug report or tech board, but I thought it might be of value to show that something can appear to be cheating.

A few days ago, in a Flak Panzer, I repeatedly hit an enemy tank at between 750 and 1000 yards. I kept shooting hitting him each time for several minutes with no affect. I tried moving my aim point slightly several times to vary where I was hitting him, but no joy. I watched hit sprites constantly flashing the whole time. Sometimes I could see where my shells were bouncing off the tank and hitting the ground nearby, but he would not die or even smoke. He finally located and killed me. To be fair, I have seen FPs get damaged before and seem to become very hard to kill, but they at least smoked.

Yesterday I saw a enemy GV attack a vehicle base. About the time I started shooting at him, he disappeared. I looked all around thinking he may have warped, but he was nowhere in sight. After a couple minutes I started getting hit and saw the enemy GV had reappeared in the same place.

I have also seen many planes dive in and at 2000 yards suddenly warp to 500 yards. The night before last this happened repeatedly at a base being attacked by bish hoards. The net status looked fine but it could well have been caused by Internet problems.

These were seen while in GVs, I haven't had any trouble while flying planes, but I've only been up a few times.

I don't know if the cause was by design, the host or network lag, but it seems to have gotten worse with this update. I've also been getting many dumps to desktop after the 1.11 patch and one complete lockup last night. I can't remember having either happen to me before, so I think there are new issues in this update creating problems that look like cheating.

[Vortex]

Sheesh, and here I thought it was a fairly well reasoned post to start with.

But alas, I forgot the Sacred Cow...thou shalt not make claim that AH can in any way be hacked, or has been hacked, or might be hacked...in anyone's life time. At least not without full disclosure. This includes, but is not limited to, film of the event from your perspective, film of the event from the perspective of the accused, same-time films of everyone else logged in at that time (whether it be to AH, Warbirds, the now defunct AW...doesn't matter, you need them all for a valid claim) and of course packet sniffs of the accused's session, including a complete download of their hard drives to provide a complete display of all applications running at that time. Past online history of the accused over the last 3 decades, or up to the time they first lived in a town with an ARPANET connection (whichever is earlier), is also required.  

Only then can one even infer that AH could possibly be the target of a hack. You still can't make accusations publically though. That's just not allowed under any circumstance. ;->