Author Topic: Shrage Musik! (Read 670 times)

Furzy · « **on:** September 22, 2001, 06:54:00 PM »

Im sure this has been Asked for before. Like how hard can it be to Add a fixed gun platform onto a Ju88!. 2 15mm or more would be nice.

Those who say Night fighter Stuff.. Look At Lancaster It a Night Buff Ju88 with Schrag Would be Nice Intercept for Scenario's

Furzy

1.08 soon please I see rats crawling the walls I need a fix

Furzy · « **Reply #1 on:** September 22, 2001, 07:03:00 PM »

Thinking about this More. Shrage would be just like a B17's Upper Guns Firing forward at 45 degrees<or whatever angle they used>. Got to be easy to implement.

Furzy

Karnak · « **Reply #2 on:** September 22, 2001, 07:05:00 PM »

The Japanese actually used that setup more than the Germans did.

AG Sach · « **Reply #3 on:** September 22, 2001, 08:24:00 PM »

Karnak where is the proof on that? Interesting considering it was a german enlisted crewman that invented it

brady · « **Reply #4 on:** September 22, 2001, 08:30:00 PM »

They used it alot AG.

pdog_109 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 22, 2001, 09:08:00 PM »

Japense night fighters with Shrage Musik. Against who? P-61s? Never heard of this. Shrage Musik is 20mm. It would be hard to implement on the ju88 as the sighting device would have to be modeled and a new view system. Useless anyway, no one flies at night. Just play Target for Tonight night bomber sim and you can do it.
What japanese fighters used it?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #6 on:** September 22, 2001, 10:06:00 PM »

The Japanese DID use schrage-musik installations in their nightfighters.

However I have no idea wheter or not they used in large numbers or certainly so much to support Karnaks statement.

pdog_109 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 22, 2001, 10:19:00 PM »

Well i would think so that they used it in small numbers. Compare japans night threat from america and compare germanies night threat from england. Only thing they would shoot down is P-61s where with shrage musik germans shot down heavy bomber.

juzz · « **Reply #8 on:** September 22, 2001, 10:23:00 PM »

P1Y1-S(4x20mm)
Ki-45-KAIc(2x20mm)
J1N1-S(4x20mm: 2 up, 2 down)
Ki-46-III-KAI(1x37mm)

A German crewman "invented" upward firing guns in WW2? I think not.

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/vick161-b.jpg

The idea of upward firing guns was around in WW1, and the Japanese had production a/c with them before the Germans did.

[ 09-23-2001: Message edited by: juzz ]

pdog_109 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 22, 2001, 10:32:00 PM »

Pic doesn't show. Rudi Schoenert was the first who installed fixed, 75 degree elevated cannons with a separate gun sight in his Do 217, and weapons sergeant Mahle made also the first "Schrae Musik"
installation in a Bf-110, the plane of Cpt. Wilhelm Johnen. What do you suggest that the germans copied from the japanese? Thats sounds silly.

brady · « **Reply #10 on:** September 22, 2001, 10:34:00 PM »

They used theam aganst B 29's to name but one Buff.

brady · « **Reply #11 on:** September 22, 2001, 10:36:00 PM »

As silly as the main AP round for the US 50cal browning being moddeled on a Russian 12.7mm AP round?(Projectial), or the P 51 being a British Invention?

Silly is as silly does

[ 09-22-2001: Message edited by: brady ]

Karnak · « **Reply #12 on:** September 23, 2001, 01:49:00 AM »

Remember guys, the Japanese were in desparate straights with the B-29s. The Japanese had very few aircraft that could perform adequately at altitude and anything that allowed them to shoot at 29s from a lower alt was a "very good thing" from their perspective.

All of the aircraft that Juzz listed were used in combat, and not just at night.

I'm sorry if that offends your image of German uniqueness in this case, but that is how it was.

Wotan · « **Reply #13 on:** September 23, 2001, 02:24:00 AM »

the current ju88a4 will never catch a b17 lanc or 26 moot point.......

Wilbus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 23, 2001, 03:30:00 AM »

Schräge Musik was more then just 20mm's, it could be anything, would be nice to have although JU88 might be a bit too slow for it, could dive down and go under.

ADD IT!