Author Topic: Big-gun 190s (Read 432 times)

Kweassa · « **on:** July 11, 2002, 08:09:11 AM »

Wouldn't it be cool if we had a...

Fw190A-5/U11 2 x MK103

Fw190F-8 2 x MK103

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Tracer-15 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 11, 2002, 08:29:29 AM »

all the MK103 is is a 30mm....no different from the one on the 190's already........the a8 can have two of them......MK108's i believe

Hristo · « **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2002, 08:34:43 AM »

you are kiddin, right ?

Hortlund · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2002, 08:45:36 AM »

Trust me...there is a world of difference between the Fw190a5 and the Fw190a8.

Pongo · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2002, 10:40:48 AM »

The 103 drives those 30mm rounds to more like a hispano rounds ballistics. The 108 is a very short range low velocity weapon and the 103 is the opposit.
I dont know that they were used operationaly on the 190 though. Just trials aircraft I think.
Maybe we could get them on the Me410.

funkedup · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2002, 05:57:30 PM »

We'll get those about the same time we get 6 cannon Spits.

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2002, 06:23:08 PM »

funkedup,

Heh. That's very funny. I thought about posting a snide reference to 6 cannon Spits, but then decided not to be antagonizing.

There are gobs and gobs of this kind of armament for all nations and many aircraft. The German aircraft just see many, many more such requests. Why?

Pei · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2002, 06:43:04 PM »

I assume this is because the LW used many more different armament combinations operationally per a/c model than the other forces. All those different factory conversion and field conversion sets.
Must have been a nightmare to maintain and supply though.

Karnak · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2002, 07:23:55 PM »

Pei,

Many, if not most, of these requests are for experimental LW armament packages.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2002, 08:39:07 PM »

There is one magical word luftwabbles know

NEIN!!

Kweassa · « **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2002, 11:40:58 PM »

"Wouldn't it be cool..." counts as a 'requesting whine' now?

I also think it'd be cool if we had the Japanese Shinden. Or if we ever get to see the "Flying Wing" concept airplanes.

Am I asking for those too?

Geez, I think this "Luftwobbl-ism" is sort of over-hyped.

Karnak · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2002, 12:01:49 AM »

I think a Me410 armed with Mk103s would be cool.

I don't think that fantasy Fw190s with Mk103 or fantasy Spits with six Hispano Mk IIs would be cool.

Pongo · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2002, 12:30:11 AM »

I think giving the spits and the 109s the same ability to cater thier gun loads that the US planes would be cool..and fair.

Pongo · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2002, 12:32:44 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
funkedup,

Heh. That's very funny. I thought about posting a snide reference to 6 cannon Spits, but then decided not to be antagonizing.

There are gobs and gobs of this kind of armament for all nations and many aircraft. The German aircraft just see many, many more such requests. Why?

Because these guns were used in combat trials, 6 hispano birds were not. These guns appear in dozens of magazines and books and model kits and the same is not true of the 6 gun spit.
There is about as many requests for 4 cannon spit vbs as there are for german guns like these though. but you dont point that out..wonder why? Maybe your a whiner?

Naudet · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2002, 05:25:56 AM »

The MK103 was intended for ground attack purposes. It's high muzzle velocity made it an exellent anti-tank gun. But it was not really meant for aircombat, the rate of fire was simply to slow.
And the long barrel and huge loading mechanism made it a dam pain to any FW190 that used it in flight.

MK108 installation could be done in the wing, just increasing weight a bit compared to MG151/20 outboard installation but not increasing drag.