Author Topic: For those of you who think Buffs are Deathstars...(stats) (Read 389 times)

Beefcake · « **on:** July 11, 2002, 10:22:51 AM »

Current Tour 30 stats for buffs:

The B-17G has 2291 kills and has been killed 6405 times.

The B-26B has 1050 kills and has been killed 3021 times.

The Ju 88 has 178 kills and has been killed 1756 times.

The Lancaster III has 492 kills and has been killed 1866 times.

The TBM-3 has 101 kills and has been killed 546 times.

The Ar 234 has 3 kills and has been killed 30 times.

The Ki-67 has 180 kills and has been killed 668 times.

The Boston III has 100 kills and has been killed 1603 times.

All I can say is from the look of the stats, the Buffs need to be nerfed more.

I really though, I think buffing in AH is going thin out alot in the coming months.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #1 on:** July 11, 2002, 10:28:54 AM »

Yeah, damn shame all them newbies flying them things get waxed so easily.

Show me the stats of someone good in them, not just some globally fudged number.
-SW

Otto · « **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2002, 10:29:45 AM »

I feel like I was in everyone of those bombers

Nifty · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2002, 10:30:23 AM »

Don't forget that there are 3 buffs per person in most cases now. Also, each AI wingie you lose, does it count as a death? or only if they had a bullet in them?

Beefcake · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2002, 10:43:21 AM »

OK SWulfe, some people say I'm somewhat good in a buffs so here are my stats.

Cupcake has 4 kills and has been killed 3 times in the B-17G.

Cupcake has 11 kills and has been killed 4 times in the B-26B.

Cupcake has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Ju 88.

Cupcake has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Lancaster III.

Cupcake has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the TBM-3.

Cupcake has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Ar 234.

Cupcake has 7 kills and has been killed 7 times in the Ki-67.

Cupcake has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Boston III.

Ok so I guess I'm not doing to bad in kills, 22 Kills 14 deaths.

But look at my hit percentage: 98.98 %

Thats just horrible.

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2002, 10:46:20 AM »

Is that bomb hit % or guns?

Either way, damn near 99% of whatever is hitting it's target..?
-SW

ra · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2002, 10:54:30 AM »

Tour 30 stats are porked from the buff bailout bug we had when 1.10 first came out. I shot down 38 B-17's in a 109G2 in about 10 seconds.

ra

IMHO tour 30 stats should be purged at the end of the tour.

MOSQ · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2002, 01:58:33 PM »

BeefCake,
Teach me how to gun a buff like that !
MOSQ

Vermillion · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2002, 02:06:49 PM »

Also remember the AI planes can be "killed" if you lose them from manuevering at all. I know at least twice I've lost both AI wingmen when trying to come in for a landing before I figured out what was happening.

CavemanJ · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2002, 05:42:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Nifty
Don't forget that there are 3 buffs per person in most cases now. Also, each AI wingie you lose, does it count as a death? or only if they had a bullet in them?

If you get too far away from your drones and they go POP it counts as a death for you. Doesn't matter if someone put bullets in the drones or not. If they were hit that person gets a kill (if they didna die attacking you). If they weren't hit (or the person who hit them died before the drones) it's like a crash death.

And beef yer Ki67 stats should be 6kills/9deaths. Guess it's good for you that you didna bother to tell yer boy to stay out of it.

Widewing · « **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2002, 06:25:17 PM »

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Originally posted by CavemanJ

If you get too far away from your drones and they go POP it counts as a death for you. Doesn't matter if someone put bullets in the drones or not. If they were hit that person gets a kill (if they didna die attacking you). If they weren't hit (or the person who hit them died before the drones) it's like a crash death.

And beef yer Ki67 stats should be 6kills/9deaths. Guess it's good for you that you didna bother to tell yer boy to stay out of it.

Here's how I kill bombers by the bucket load:

Aim for and shoot off the wing of the lead bomber. It will enter a death spiral. The pilot bails, but can only recover one drone bomber (if he's reasonably skilled). The other will not recover. That's two kills. Now, I go after the last one while the pilot wrestles with the controls. Simple. Either way, I NEVER attack from astern, but from angles. Since the bombers can no longer shoot through their own airframe, angles attacks are relatively low risk.

My regards,

Widewing

Vortex · « **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2002, 09:38:38 PM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Yeah, damn shame all them newbies flying them things get waxed so easily.

Show me the stats of someone good in them, not just some globally fudged number.
-SW

...and, based on this logic, one would also need to conclude that all fighters need to be nerfed equally due to the fact that there are people who are good in them.

Follow the logic back far enough and the fiercest weapon at our disposal will be a nasty stare.

Voss · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2002, 12:19:49 AM »

I think the next patch will fix a lot of this.

At the beginning of this tour my bomber hit percentage was at 1700%, but has dropped to 307.14%, which is less then one-third of what it should be.

Pongo · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2002, 12:27:46 AM »

Even without bugs the Buffs(non b17 in particular) are quite a bit easier to kill now. Guns can shoot in narrower arcs. Pilots have alot more to do and can be bounced more redily, changeing corse to force a 6 attack can really pooch your bomb run if you have allready calibrated and the bombers are alot less free to manuver in general.
they are easier to kill for sure.

illo · « **Reply #14 on:** July 12, 2002, 01:04:25 AM »

Some real life stats for you....

Bristol Blenhiem

WINTER WAR: 423 sorties, 3168 bombs (131,061 kg), 20,700 MG shots and 5 combat victories.

CONTINUATION WAR: 2768 sorties and 3 combat victories.

LAPLAND WAR: 157 sorties.

Total 8 air to air kills in 3348 sorties.

Average 4140 rounds fired for 1 kill.