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Offline AKDejaVu

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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2002, 10:44:59 PM »
Go to the CT... there's no milkrunning or gangbanging there. :rolleyes:

Those two things are gonna happen whenever you have too few people for the size of the terrain.

Seems to me HT said he was trying to adress the issue of lower number times.  I'm curious as to what that would be.

I have, however, had quite a bit of fun defending fields solo.  It works well if you can find a small group of attackers (4 or less) that insist on capturing a rather distant field.  I can usually find this situation whenever I am on.  After a while they'll either capture it or get frustrated and come back with 50 countrymates... but its a kick till then.

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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2002, 10:47:36 PM »
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So tell me Rude, "real men" are those who fly around an empty world killing AI acks and stealing undefended bases
J_A_B


Geez, I don't know how we do it, but we just seem to be able to find whatever type of action we're looking for.

Had a GREAT furball funfest with some 412th guys over the mountains with canyons running all through them. Tops of the canyons at about 12k and the bottoms way lower. Must have went on for more than an hour. Bunches of guys from other squads too.

Sorry you missed it.


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It's all out there... if you look for it.
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2002, 11:38:25 PM »
"It's all out there... if you look for it."

If I'm paying for a GAME, I don't want to have to WORK to find my fun.  The fact that you have to look for a fight means there's a big problem IMO.  

I want to consistently be able to log in (often at odd hours), find a decent fight, take off and be in the action in a matter of minutes.  Ask anyone I fly with how long I'm online at a time; it's rare for me to be on more than an hour or so at a time.  I can't bear to sit in front of a computer for longer than that.  Flying around empty air, or having to waste time looking for a fight, means I'm not having fun.  

I'm glad you're enjoying yourself--really, not sarcastic.  But I'm not enjoying myself now :(   Even before this new map AH was, for me, BARELY fun--even then there was IMO too much wasted time, too much empty sky.  Now it's just not fun at all;  flying in AH has IMO become more of a chore than a game.

I'm the patient sort, not threatening to cancel my subscription or anything.   Things'll get fixed.

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Offline Vulcan

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2002, 12:36:16 AM »
Maybe for a few hours each day during peak US times. But once the numbers fall below 200 things start to unwind.

I'm getting kind of sick of these replies, because you really are talking BS.

The facts are simple, lets educate you:
 - there are a reasonable amount of people who play non-peak times
 - once numbers get down towards 100 the map is a complete and utter BORE
 - the CT is usually empty
 - before 1.10 the numbers could go down to 50 before it started to get boring
 - milkrunning is prevelant during these times
 - you seem to have to choose between ganging or being ganged during these times

I usually see Skurj on around the same times I am on. So I know exactly what he is talking about. I suggest you try logging on at these times to see what people are talking about. If you think it  is a minority that are talking, wake up and smell the coffee, its not. There is a reasonable base of UNHAPPY AH customers. Hell, you want to hear the moaning when I log on.

I don't have the logs, but my observations would be there has been neglible increase in numbers. There has been no improvement in connects either. Warping is still there, disco's are actually worse. All that I can see is that AH is now a bit more 'spread' out for those few peak times, but decidingly boring the rest of the time. Pre 1.09 it was fun most of the time, and a bit fast and furious during the peak times.

HTC can't ignore a significant amount of long time subscribers getting bored for to long, I hope. I used to look forward to an evening of AH, now I often log on, look at the emptiness, logoff and go play WC3 or SOF2. Hell I've even considered giving WW2OL a spin.

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Offline SunKing

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2002, 12:40:29 AM »
Agree with Skurj. I give this post a 8.5 excessive use of periods.
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Offline honda346

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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2002, 01:25:47 AM »
How can anyone even focus on strat/attack/defense in 1.10 when the lag is so bad anyway?  Everyone I talk to says the lag is so bad they have to do ground pounding or not play at all right now...
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2002, 03:28:13 AM »
I'm sitting on the fence, with one leg each side of it. I appreciate that guys are bored. I know how that feels, and that's one of the reasons I'm not interested in scenarios. I remember back in WB, those scenarios would involve hours of just flying around, maybe followed by 90 seconds of confused action, then rtb and wait for the results to come up on some AAR website the next day. Not my cup of tea at all.

BUT!!!... neither is all that mindless vulching and gangbangery. Geez, I've gone on about this in so many threads...

What I want to know is why people don't want this game to be realistic. They argue that war wasn't fun, therefore the more we go towards REAL, the further we'll go from FUN. But people have taken this so far that they're almost saying that the less real we make it, the more fun we'll have.  Taking off and being in the action in a few minutes in a people versus people engagement?   It seems that some people want WW2 to have a minimal bearing on this game.
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If I'm paying for a GAME, I don't want to have to WORK to find my fun.
So why not just play Quake? - I'm serious
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Offline Morsa

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Boooooring....
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2002, 04:13:01 AM »
I didn`t  like the pizza map since the first day.
Time is giving me reason.
We had a problem with space in the old maps, but this solution is overkill.
A great, great mistake of HTC.
All fun has gone for me, I love the game and I hope the scene will be diferent before my 6 months pre-pay be expired, and I say this sincerely sad.
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Offline Apar

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« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2002, 05:53:08 AM »
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Offline Apar

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« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2002, 05:54:07 AM »
Yep I agree too, pizza map no fun at all anymore.

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Front lines!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Last Edit: July 17, 2002, 05:58:28 AM by Apar »
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« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2002, 05:55:20 AM »
You can all defend what HT did. But ...... Money talks!. Lets see what happens when customers begin to cancel accounts. We could even begin again from 1.02 :D. Then every 1.10 defenders will be the whinners!!! :rolleyes:

Remember anti-whinnersssss   Money talks ;)
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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2002, 06:12:41 AM »
Feeling the same way. Logged on this morning, saw some bars in the sectors near our northern bases took a 109 up to buff hunt flew 3 sectors around the border heading for what I thought was the most promising con. I get to his sector I see him landing. So I land as well. I notice now another gv milrun going on at our field. I up in Il-2 2 flaks and a panzer nailed the town. M3 almost there, dodging the wall of lead put up by the 2 panziesprayers I kill the m3 and kill him again when he respawns. There was a couple more fun fights there and the attack evaporated. Went south along the canal border 1 long con coming I up in my 109 and its an SBD I roll in bounce him(yawn) and look for more. No other cons, I see a guy upping a bomber to attack the sbds field so I decide to escort him hoping for the extra kill I need plus more. I follow him in. A yak ups followed by a spit at the Bish field. Then as he is bombing all the bish in the world up. About 6 of them, the b17s are swiftly dispatched. I get on the tail of the 1st spit and fill him with 20mm, theres a kill I think as I break off. Nope lag ate all my bullets!!! So I fly back to my field followed by 4 cons.
Up again to defend 39 near HQ 2 ponies milkrunning. I go to engage, they both run, both of them! I auger getting fed up, wondering if I can get a copy of ww2ol here in germany, where they got a real map of EARTH! not martain pizza beatnik symbols.
Yeah I guess some guys idea of fun is floating around at 36k in a pony BnZing afk guys flying a sector to find a fight. Or spraying from a flakpansy, I find it rather boring, I am glad I am taking next month off. Hopefully we'll have new maps by september.
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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2002, 07:10:24 AM »
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ok Suggestions:

#1  Maproom moved back to field, town still needs to be flat
(i know this is someone else's suggestion, just don't remember who)

#2  VH placed in or much closer to town

deletia

#5 When we get 1000players...  Zone comms to replace(or in addition) chnnl 2
the guys 10 sectors over, fitin for one base don't need to hear calls for help from the whole map


#1)  Increase the number of buildings and include 3-4 mannable ack (positioned at the top of a building .)  That'll slow the milk runs down.

#5) 1000+ players won't help a bit, Skurj ... you know that.  They'll just increase the size of the map.  Bandwidth dude.

Personally, I would like to see the base capture model enhanced.  Make changes to the town so that a base capture requires at least 2-3 buffs collapsing the town.  Perhaps a group of osties accompanied by a group of planes would serve as well.

If HTC will add 3-4 mannable and elevated 40mm at the towns and increase the number of buildings, I suspect "milk running" would come to a screeching halt.  Ever watch a single plane attack a zone's city? :)   It can be done (killing city ack), but it's tough.

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« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2002, 07:34:40 AM »
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Sorry....I made a decision not to pick on anyone who was having difficulty adjusting to a real map where real men fly...wouldn't be very nice imho:)


Real men??? This is a game with toy planes. My 12 year old granddaughter has a few kills.
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« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2002, 08:06:43 AM »
some are "having fun" but nobody I know.   All I see is 20 or so guys hitting an undefended field somewhere.   You can go with em and steal the scraps from em or maybe battle a ground vehicle driven by a six year old or.... take off and defend against 20 incoming "strat guys".  

Once in a great while the defenders equal the attackers (or close) and there is a good fight but it seems that most avoid good fights like the plague.

rude and toad... I bet your opinion of this map would be a lot different if you had stuck with your "fly P40's for a tour" original idea.   The map is ok for lags and p51's or D9's.  

comeon... this is getting old.
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