Author Topic: Not Happy to see old MA map's again (Read 751 times)

beet1e · « **Reply #30 on:** July 18, 2002, 06:38:18 AM »

Furballers and Game the Gamers......... 1
All others ............................. ......... 0

Turbot · « **Reply #31 on:** July 18, 2002, 06:43:38 AM »

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Originally posted by thrila
People didn't use the new strat system with the new map anyway. People just milkran undefended bases.

That would depend a great deal on what sort of folks you are flying with. A lot of people were playing checkers while the rest were playing chess.

popeye · « **Reply #32 on:** July 18, 2002, 07:26:16 AM »

The old maps have no canyon fights. Canyon fights are the only fun aspect of the game. Without canyon fights, the game is just boring, and no fun at all.

lazs2 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 18, 2002, 08:04:50 AM »

noble furballers 1
strat potato, milrunners, sky accountants and game the gamers 0

Agree with vortex and hoolign... the talentless strat potatos can find areas where they can fly around for hours doing nothing in the small maps.

agree with popeye too tho... we need maps with canyons. I especially want to see an "area" arena with canyons in the early war "area".

Seems to me that all the whining is coming from guys who want to force everyone to fly ONE map all the time.

I say anyone who says that the pizza map is jam packed with action and furballs is either very lucky, a liar, or doesn't know what action or furballs are.. or any combination of those things.
lazs

Boozer · « **Reply #34 on:** July 18, 2002, 08:10:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Vortex

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That was the norm. There were indeed exceptions when a good fight would be close to your base. They just weren't that frequent unfortunately, or many times just didn't have much longevity for some reason.

If one flew outside the 4-6 hour prime time window then it was a real job trying to make it work.

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Beats me...

My norm is quite different. EVERY time I've flown there has been at least 2 pretty even furballs going on for hours. Always with less than a full sector flight to engage (it is centered on a target base for some reason). And I can be flying at any time, US am, US afternoon, US prime, 3am..doesn't matter, there's a furball if I want to join it.

I cant understand folks that consider it work to just look at the map for more than 3 seconds. I must need a new job if yours is that easy.

It IS a pleasure to fly a map thats balanced finally, none of this "the north (west, whichever) country is immune to caputre" that we have with ALL the old maps except Baltic.

New alts, canyons, greater CV reach, everything is better, more variety. The only thing the large pizza is missing is a country immunity position and action chokepoints. I can do without both.

I do see how the "map is too big I can't coordinate all the action" generals who are ignored anyway wouldn't like it.

aac · « **Reply #35 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:44:29 AM »

My two cents worth, my eyes enjoyed the old map last night did not have to get up and take a break from eye strain. When they rework the "Pizza map" maybe they will have at least one area where there will be less yellow and more green and blue tint, and then it will have something for everbody.

From reading all of the posts on the bbs it looks to me like there is about a 50/50 split on the maps question, would be courious how many phone calls and Emails Hitech got about this maps question though wouldn't it.

TMASTadon · « **Reply #36 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:45:22 AM »

I for one was THRILLED! to see the old maps back! I dont know if the new map or new version had anything to do with it but I have had on average at least one disconnection a night since the new update came in. Last night flying was great!

Old map was TOO FREAKING BIG! It got to where I didnt even pay attention to the base capture messages. Who cares if you just lost 3 bases..heck! we got 60 more!! Give em a few more!! Who cares???? I sure didnt anymore.

Strategy??? You've got to be kidding! I tried and tried to makes sense of any strategy concerning which bases were more strategically important...couldnt find one. You would be zoomed in on your lil area and a base looked important then you'd zoom out and realize...oh heck we're being flanked a thousand miles to the south along an defended front by a bunch of base grabbers who just took 10 bases. You realized that the fight you were just in over that one base didnt really change the overall picture that much. And personally I find grabbing undefended (read less than 5 guys defending it) BORING! I'm not here to be McArthur, I'm here to have fun. You want strategy? Ever hear of Avalon Hill? Advanced Squad Leader? Europa Series? V-4-Victory? Stalingrad? Board games?? I signed on here to play a flight sim. I've been playing board games since I was 8 years old! Checkers and chess? You want to play chess? Ok we can play an e-mail game of a true strategy game if ya want but whats wrong with checkers sometimes too?

I'm here to have FUN and to me fun is flying about 1 sector, to 10k or so to a fairly evenly match FURBALL! of about 40 or 50 guys, tear into it, kill as many as I can and pray I can get out alive!! Dont insult my intelligence because I refuse to have fun the way YOU say I'm suppose to have fun.

This seems to all be boiling to a head...there appear to be two groups here, one that wants to have a more concentrated arena where larger fights occur and another that wants it more spread out for more "strategy". Seems to me its a bomber/vehicle group against a furballing fighters group. Personally I thought that was what the MISSION PLANNER was for! I dont need a mission planner to go find a fight in a fighter, at least I didnt until the new map came out. If you want to play Strategy etc then go make yourself a mission, get a group of buffs with escorts/vehicles, whatever and play the way you want.

Well....guess I'm venting here a bit

but what I do know is that with the smaller maps I was almost ALWAYS able to find a pretty good furball to dive into and have fun and that was NOT the case with the freaking huge pizza map. Say what you want but I will define fun for myself and for me concentrated, mass furballs is FUN!!!

Dont EVEN get me started about that endless mass of brown....

keyapaha · « **Reply #37 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:59:05 AM »

new map old maps who cares its the fight that appeals to me and nothing else be it in a bomber or fighter or gv

there is no shortage of that in AH that i can see

Hornet · « **Reply #38 on:** July 18, 2002, 10:06:54 AM »

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AH may need a little bit bigger maps but Pizza map was just WAY too big!

bingo

brady · « **Reply #39 on:** July 18, 2002, 04:08:47 PM »

After a few days went By I could always find a furball a BIG one on the Desert, Just as Boozer, said. and I could find the other type of battles two, Frankely I fly to much to be thriled to deth to fly into a big hary furbal all the time, I do enjoye it sometimes but not all the time. The Best part on the Desert map was that I could do that if I wanted or, or do somthing else. The Quake stile battles on the old maps hold nothing more than a passing interest.

I to played SL. and ASL from the time I was 8, and games like Flat top and Tokyo Express before that, It is just their is more to this game than just The Furbal, which is whear it has been for months. We have a lot of new people in AH who never knew what it was like before, they know nothing more than the Furbal it has become, I am not suprised they are complaing frankely for they don't know better:)

The desert map allows for both types of gameplay, the problem is the Furball fan's just have to look a little harder to find a fight.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #40 on:** July 18, 2002, 04:46:44 PM »

Holligan... pizza is NOT delivered where I live....

Rude · « **Reply #41 on:** July 18, 2002, 04:58:34 PM »

I'm probably wrong, but I don't think so:)

I would estimate that of the entire subscribership in AH, only about 10% have bbs accounts....of that 10%, I'll bet that only 25%-30% actively read and post. Not a very complete pulse of the AH community imho.

So, my point is this....I think that the overwhelming majority of AH subscribers play the game and enjoy themselves, irregardless of what map is up or what plane is modelled or whether ballistics are accurate or not.

C'mon and shoot me down HT....you know how you enjoy doing that:)

Karnak · « **Reply #42 on:** July 18, 2002, 05:12:10 PM »

The problem with the old maps is that they're just too crowded for a non-skilled person like me to have a shot at surviving unless I only fly the speed demon, uber-fighters.

I happen to enjoy flying other aircraft, but in these 256x256 mile maps that is a death sentence for me.

The 256x256 maps are just way too small. A 384x384 map might be OK, but I was enjoying the 512x512 map. On it I was enjoying AH more than I had in many, many months.

Maybe its because it wasn't so crowded when I signed up back in 1.03 and am used to having other options besides "endless furball".

SKurj · « **Reply #43 on:** July 18, 2002, 05:32:54 PM »

Hmmm still seeing lots of multi runs by slow early war rides in the 'old maps'.

Seeing guys complain the maps are too small when there are only 165 players on....

165 players is 1.03 numbers...

SKurj

ZOSO · « **Reply #44 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:28:29 PM »

I closed my account a couple months ago as the small maps were just too crowded for my taste. After a two week trial with the pizza map, I was just about to sign up again, but today I read that the old small maps are back in the rotation. I have absolutely no desire to go back to the bad old days of overcrowded arenas. I'll be back when the small maps are gone.