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Offline gofaster

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« on: July 18, 2002, 01:09:41 PM »
How about adding the F-86 and the MiG-17 to the planeset?  It would certainly open up some interesting possibilities of doing a Korean War in the CT using the F4U, P-51, and A-20.

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2002, 01:30:09 PM »
Those things are just WAY to powerfull for AH, we have enough latewar planes already, like me262 that was hardly even used in the war, but this is a WW2 sim, and if it wasnt used in the war, I don't think it should be added.

And flying anykind of early war plane in MA is almost completly useless right now, just imagine trying to fight an F86 in a Val, or P40 :eek:, it would totally ruin gameplay and make it a very unrealistic game, I mean the F86 was FAR superior to the ME262 wich is far better than most of the other fighters we have.

Please keep AH realistic, f86's in ww2 is just going too far...
Maybe if they made a whole nother game on the Korean war, but f86's & MiG's in ww2?... Why do people say WW2 Biplanes that served through out the ENTIRE war don't belong in AH,  and planes like f86, bearcat etc wich never even served in war need to be added I dont understand :confused:

But as I said, if they made a Korean war AH, it would be just fine, but mixing MiGs & F86's with early,mid & latewar WW2 planes just wouldnt work.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2002, 01:35:58 PM »
Errrr ummmm.... its the Mig15 :p

The Mig17 participated in the Middle East Wars, both India Pakistan wars, Vietnam, and inumerable brush fire conflicts, but definitely not in Korea ;)

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2002, 02:32:21 PM »
Point the first:

We are far more than two aircraft form a Korean War planeset.  With the MiG 15 and F-86 we'd only have six aircraft that fought in Korea.

We have:

P-51D (F-51D)
F4U-1C (I think it fought in Korea)
F4U-4
Yak-9U

We'd need at least:

F-86
MiG-15
Il-10
B-29
Yak-3 (with VK107 engine, which never fought in WWII)
Seafury
F8F


Point the second:

cajun,

The Me262 was not "hardly even used in the war."  It saw almost a year of service and more than 1000 were built.  If the Me262 meets your definition of "hardly used", then you will want to add the Spitfire Mk I and Hurricane Mk I to your list as well as every Italian aircraft and half of the Japanese aircraft.  Things like the Gladiator, which you champion so strongly, would have to go on the "essentially weren't used" list, as the amount of combat they saw pales compared with the amount of combat seen by the Me262.

There are two flaws with your system:

It assumes that anything after 1943 didn't really see combat and therefore isn't really appropriate for a WWII sim.  You unrealistically favor the early war.  I prefer mid-war, but I'm not going to damn anybody who prefers late war.

It also heavily favors the US and USSR as the ammount of combat an aircraft type saw is inextricably linked to how many were built.  Nations that could produce lots of many different types of aircraft are far more likely to have types that meet an arbitrary "amount of combat" than nations which lacked the industrial base to do so.


As to the intent of the thread, to advocate Korean Aircraft, I would vote "Not just no, but HELL NO!!!"  I want to use simulated WWII equipment.  I would likely cancel my account if Korean War equipment was added.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2002, 03:05:49 PM »
Karnak, I think you greatly missudnerstood what I was saying,

First of all I think I worded that about the ME262 wrong, I didnt mean it didn't see allot of combat, or was hardly used, I meant that it was not used AS much AS most/many other planes, though me262 might not have been the best example of what I was trying to get across.

I never said or mean anything negative about people who prefer latewar, Everyone likes certain planes, and certain timeframes, and I respect that.
 I was saying KOREAN WAR planes in a WW2 game is just way out of the question (no offense gofaster) not all latewar planes, if it served in combat and at least fired at an enemy plane during WW2 its fine with me if they add it.

As for Gladiators and other Biplanes hardly seeing any combat compared to the me262? that I have to totally dissagree with;
Look at the I-153, was in full production and used in many other countries and for a much longer period than the Me262,
The German HS-123, used from begging of the war until 1944 and served very well in german ground attack campaignes,
The CR42, more Cr42's were built than most any other italian fighter if not ALL other italian fighters of WW2,
The Gloster Gladiator, I'd say it served at least quel ammount in combat as the me262, but much Wider and Longer used then the 262 as well as being the first to intercept german bombing raids during the BOB.

I never said anything about getting rid of late war planes, or that they don't belong or anything. BUT planes that DID NOT serve in the war I do not think should be added, that goes for planes that came before AND after the war.

I'm not flaming anyone, never mean to, never meant to.
I'm just stating my Opinions, and if they arent your Opinions that doesnt mean I'm flaming you or anything, just trying to discuss the topic.

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2002, 03:05:54 PM »
lol korean planes in here...you must be hi as a giraffes popsicle to say that..Maybe you wanted a jet simulator..go somwherre else...

oops i guess you said in the CT..but lease..lets stick w/ ww2 planes...many more to put in then soem 1950-s jets

ANd the early war planes...not useful..are you kidding yourself??..Have you flown a FM2?? holy toejamtt that thing is  baddd assss

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2002, 03:18:20 PM »
If HTC had a korean war arena, I would fly there.  I don't know how hard to add/change whatever in order to get to that point, I definetely would not want to see these planes in the MA, or the CT (well, I would love to fly the F8F.....)

     I'm sure HTC knows what they are doing and are following a plan.  I trust their judgement, and I love everything about the game so far, and how it continues to evolve.

     If Target Korea and Rabaul are any good when they come out (if ever) i might take my precious few playing hours a week over to their pastures.  I wouldn't count on HTC for my Korean war fix.  If they do it, hooray!  But not at the expense of the WWII community.

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2002, 05:34:38 PM »
If we're going to have F-86s i want sonic booms & MACH jump modeled

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2002, 11:08:00 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Karnak
Point the first:

We'd need at least:

F-86
MiG-15
Il-10
B-29
Yak-3 (with VK107 engine, which never fought in WWII)
Seafury
F8F


PLus, P47N Series
F4U-5N
Skyradier..etc...