Author Topic: Isreal's latest method of dealing with suicide bombers. (Read 1178 times)

koala · « **Reply #30 on:** July 19, 2002, 02:56:35 PM »

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Do you think the average Palastinian dislikes all Westerners or just Americans.

Probably just Americans. We don't kiss Palestinian / Arafat bellybutton the way you do. They probably love you guys.

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No, I do not have a solution, better people then be have tried to find one, and have failed.

Better people than you have also said there is no good solution. But still you're apparently bright enough to criticize just about everything Isreal does to protect its citizens from being butchered.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 20, 2002, 12:12:38 AM »

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makes sense to me

Eagler u believe in god and so u have morale ???

how fast do u forget what's in the bible huh ?

"U shall not kill"

i guess not

christians, moslims, jews it's the same religion stupid isn't it

all have the same old testament

Raubvogel · « **Reply #32 on:** July 20, 2002, 01:00:09 AM »

When we finally accept our retarded cousin Canada as a state, we're going to have to do some serious "re-education" of the populace.

Tumor · « **Reply #33 on:** July 20, 2002, 01:06:56 AM »

Good plan! Heck.. it's a GREAT plan. I'd be totally against it if I hadn't seen so many palestinian "moms" preach about how proud they are of their martyred son/daughter etc. How they wish they had 20 son's to become martyrs. Or all those "men" they interview in the streets preaching about how "we need more suicide bombings" etc etc ad-nauseum.

....but, F-it!! Palestinians wanna play hardball, they gonna get hardball. Simple really.

Innominate · « **Reply #34 on:** July 20, 2002, 02:19:38 AM »

Suicide bombers should be dealt with brutally. The knowledge that killing themselves, will get thier family killed is probably one of the better deterrents to stop it.

The only way to stop a suicide terrorist attack is to make the consequences to horrible that nobody would want to subject thier surviving friends and relatives to it.

Then again, it's the united states that keeps israel on a leash. Yes, we must have our oil. Blah.

If you flattened a few square blocks of palestine for every suicide attack, they would stop very quickly.

A few hundred years ago, the arab countries were a great and enlightened culture, and we were the barbarians. It's a pity they're still there.

Staga · « **Reply #35 on:** July 20, 2002, 04:25:34 AM »

Flattening their houses doesn't work.
Guess same people thought that occupying those west bank towns would stop bombings. We all know how did that work...

Don't be naive...

Hortlund · « **Reply #36 on:** July 20, 2002, 05:01:34 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

Absolutely. Your brother goes and blows himself and some others up. The Isrealis come, destroy your home arrest you and your dad, regardless of weather or not you had anything to do with it, or even any for knowledge. Makes perfect sense. And futher more I believe that this is the solution that will finally put a stop to suicide bombings for all time.

I do wonder what your son will think of the Isrealies after watching his home getting destroyed and you and grandpa get arrested for no damn reason.

BUT on the other hand, the brother, father, mother and rest of the family gets a nice bunch of dollar notes from Saddam.

If you cant physically stop the suicide bombers, it might be better to diddly with their minds. Make them think that their family will be arrested, their homes destroyed if they detonate their bomb, make them think that they will be buried together with pigs if they detonate their bomb,(worked for the Brits) make them ask themselves "do I want to wreak havoc on my own family, make them homeless, make them starve, is that how much I hate the Israelis"?

Perhaps one or two will be discouraged.

SirLoin · « **Reply #37 on:** July 20, 2002, 06:51:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Raubvogel
When we finally accept our retarded cousin Canada as a state, we're going to have to do some serious "re-education" of the populace.

Ouch!

babek- · « **Reply #38 on:** July 20, 2002, 07:02:40 AM »

Israel is acting helplessly in this crisis.

Although they have such a great military and a leader who is willing to use it, they are not able to stop the palestinian attacks.

So this patt-situation is going on and creating new "qualities" of tactics.

The palestinians have made their first coordinated suicide-bombing a few days ago, where the first one exploded and the 2nd one waited until the rescue-groups arrived. The he set up his bomb in the hope to take more people with him.

Now Israel is modifiing its tactic - which is a logical consequence.

There are many exaple how useless Israel is acting, but the best one is the building of this wall.

And so I think the only hope to bring both sides to discuss again will be the financial catastrophy both - the Israelians and the Palestines - are running into.

The Palestinians economy has already collapsed and the israelian is also near to this point. The war (and also the building and maintainance of this ridiculous wall) are extremely expensive and destroying the israeli economy.
No foreign investor will put in these days money in israeli projects or those in Israel - which is also logical.

So it not important what the one or other side is doing now in this war.

The question ist, when their financial problems have reached a point that the have to stop their fightings.

Eagler · « **Reply #39 on:** July 20, 2002, 07:11:46 AM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322

Eagler u believe in god and so u have morale ???

how fast do u forget what's in the bible huh ?

"U shall not kill"

i guess not

christians, moslims, jews it's the same religion stupid isn't it

all have the same old testament

BUG
the article said they "arrest" the family members and destroy their homes - I think this is desperate but acceptable

I do not think "killing" the entire family, relatives would be and I would be against that extreme.

But you need to leave God, Allah, name ur supreme being here - out of this as the entire mess is man's creation. I don't see Allah running into crowds with a bomber belt on or God driving any of the tanks - I just see confused and scared men.

Eaglecz · « **Reply #40 on:** July 20, 2002, 08:13:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler

But you need to leave God, Allah, name ur supreme being here -

we call this " hura vlastenci" ... its could be translated as "holiday believer" .. person whitch belive only in moment when he need to do something....

dont be sad most of europian believers are same lames

Thrawn · « **Reply #41 on:** July 20, 2002, 02:16:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Raubvogel
When we finally accept our retarded cousin Canada as a state, we're going to have to do some serious "re-education" of the populace.

You WISH Canada was part of the states! Neener neener neener!

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And so I think the only hope to bring both sides to discuss again will be the financial catastrophy both - the Israelians and the Palestines - are running into.

The Palestinians economy has already collapsed and the israelian is also near to this point. The war (and also the building and maintainance of this ridiculous wall) are extremely expensive and destroying the israeli economy.
No foreign investor will put in these days money in israeli projects or those in Israel - which is also logical.

This is a neat idea, and I don't think it has been brought up before.

Fjoder · « **Reply #42 on:** July 21, 2002, 07:23:25 AM »

Its a hint for the rest of the palestinians to think twice what will happen with their family if they blow up themselves.

And no, Israel will not economically collaps. (I wont get into details, I just *know*)

I find it quiet interesting, 8 years Arafat been in power , and to this day he hasnt build any kind of infrastructure.(ie the only jobs available are either as a gunman, or working for the israelis(which isnt really any palestinian infrastructure))

However $5 million was deposit to his wife french bankaccount to make sure she can live like a queen in Paris.
(She sends her regards to the European tax payers!)

Dont forget the Pa also adds 16 % when exchanging the contributions given by Europe and the states to israeli shekel
(they use israeli currency).
so start to calculate how much of the $400 million (or whatever they received this year) goes directly to the PA themselves.

To be honest I think the palestinians had far better options during the occupation than now.

Peter

Daff · « **Reply #43 on:** July 21, 2002, 09:22:30 AM »

You're right Fjod..the US will most likely bail out the Israeli economy when it collapses.

Daff

babek- · « **Reply #44 on:** July 21, 2002, 04:36:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Fjoder
And no, Israel will not economically collaps. (I wont get into details, I just *know*)

I find it quiet interesting, 8 years Arafat been in power , and to this day he hasnt build any kind of infrastructure.(ie the only jobs available are either as a gunman, or working for the israelis(which isnt really any palestinian infrastructure))Peter

1st: Collaps of the israeli economy.

Just wait and see. The israeli government had to made first reducements in social welfare because of the economical effects.
And sure - the USA will help Israel as good as possible - but so Israel becomes more and more dependant - liek the old soviet satellite-countries.

2nd: Also the statement of the non-built infrastructure is extremely wrong.
Eurpoe helped with money and logistic to build infrastructural elements in the occupied territies. Police-stations, harbors, an airport hospitals and other government-buildings were built. But these buildings were systematicly destroyed by the israeli forces. They claimed that these were terroristic buildings, where bombs or other criminal things were made.

So - actually only few of these buildings survived, but there is no doubt that they were built.

And also Europe is ready to help the Palestines again if the actually crises will calm down sooner or later under the financial pressure.

The 3rd good news is the fact that both terroristic leaders in this conflict - Arafat and Sharon - are very old men and so maybe nature will take care of it. Then -again maybe - the time will come for capable politicians instead of terroristic fanatics.

They need politicians like Adenauer and deGaulle who were able to ended a decades-lasting hatred between their people.

So lets hope that both sides will have such politicians when the right time comes.

Until this day the boring bombing/revenge/bombing-game will go on...