Author Topic: Isreal's latest method of dealing with suicide bombers. (Read 1176 times)

Eaglecz · « **Reply #45 on:** July 21, 2002, 06:03:58 PM »

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Originally posted by babek-

Israel becomes more and more dependant - liek the old soviet satellite-countries.

im from 1 of those country.... man you are a bit wrong
those countries werent depend on CCCP economicaly
they only accepted politic from CCCP
and as our thanks we had to send zillion suplies to CCCP
we never got paid per food, technologi and rest of that stuff
it was called... our thanks or something like that

so if somebody will become dependant it would be USA

btw it seems to me that their Word on international politic scene is weaker and weaker...

and dont forget that EU is making friends in South America

something is cooking

Fjoder · « **Reply #46 on:** July 22, 2002, 01:35:56 AM »

I wasnt refering to USA (or europe) to bail out Israel.

babek, infrastructure is so much more than a policestation or two.

and he had about 6 years to do =SOMETHING= before he started intifada II.

If it werent for the israeli workpermits, no one but the PA themselves would make any money. (making money as in stealing from those who really should have the money in the first place)

And the PA doesnt really need to steal it either, with $1.5 billion on the PLO bankaccounts. Guess they just screwing with their own ppl and blaming it on Israel.

Peter

Daff · « **Reply #47 on:** July 22, 2002, 04:30:53 AM »

So you are saying that the Israeli economy is doing just fine, Fjoder?. I'm sure the Israelis would love to know just how you came to that conclusion:)

Daff

Fjoder · « **Reply #48 on:** July 22, 2002, 04:36:18 AM »

Israeli economy is a disaster.

where did I write the Israeli economy is doing just fine?

P.

babek- · « **Reply #49 on:** July 22, 2002, 08:57:36 AM »

@fjoder:

You wrote in a mail before that in the 8 years Arafat has been in power " to this day he hasnt build any kind of infrastructure".

This was wrong, because the European nations and also some of the rich arab nations built many buildings and infrastructure in the occupied territories.

Many of these buildings, vehicles and streets have been destroyed by Israeli forces during their counter attacks.

I agree with your statement that there is much corruption, but nevertheless the structures were built (and later destroyed, because Sharon dont want an independent Palestine).

The actual situation is a very bloody indecisive war.
The one side is sending its Kamikaze-Bombers the other one its army.

And many innocents are dying and suffering day by day.

Because both old leaders - Sharon and Arafat - are only stupid fanatical terrorists without the wish to arrange a political solution, this situation is going on.

Although I normally dont hope for the death of a human being, I think it would be the best that nature take this two stupids away, so other politicians could get a chance for a change of the policy.

But until this day the destructions will go on and also the ruin of the israeli economy will go on.

A war is always extremely expensive. Now they are building a wall, which is more than ridiculous, because never in history a wall has worked.

We in Germany knew this, because even the super high-tech wall of the DDR was not able to stop people from East Germany to flee to West Germany.

The palestine terrorist will just modify their tactics but such a wall could not stop them.

Only if there is a political solution which will stop people to join the ranks of the terrorists there will be a chance of peace.

Otherwise they will go on with their killings for the next 100 years.

midnight Target · « **Reply #50 on:** July 22, 2002, 09:26:38 AM »

Seems to me the only way for Israel to look anything but barbaric while carrying this out would be to proclaim a Palestinian State, then declare war on it. Everything after that would be legally justifyable, especially if they win.

M.E.

M.E.

babek- · « **Reply #51 on:** July 22, 2002, 09:45:20 AM »

"All" they need are capable politicians.

Just look at Germany and France.

We had a long and tragic history where both people were educated to see in the other the enemy. There was even a special geramn word, called the "Erbfeind", which means that this enemy is given from one generation to the other.

But finally very capable and great politicians ended the hate and started a friendship, which has great results today.

And suddenly the people of Germany and France could see how much they could learn from each other and to work together for a new european future.

There are other examples of irrational hate - like the North-Ireland conflict, where in the mane of religion little schoolchildren are threatened by normal people.

The Israel-Palestine-conflict is aclass of its own, because it was allowed that this conflict could escalate to a point where people perform kamikaze operations and others act with military against civilians.

This is very sad, because the victims are in the most cases the innocents.

But as long as the fanatics like Sharon or Arafat are leading them they have to continue their bloody and senseless game of hate...

batdog · « **Reply #52 on:** July 22, 2002, 02:44:01 PM »

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Originally posted by babek-
"All" they need are capable politicians.

Just look at Germany and France.

We had a long and tragic history where both people were educated to see in the other the enemy. There was even a special geramn word, called the "Erbfeind", which means that this enemy is given from one generation to the other.

But finally very capable and great politicians ended the hate and started a friendship, which has great results today.

And suddenly the people of Germany and France could see how much they could learn from each other and to work together for a new european future.

There are other examples of irrational hate - like the North-Ireland conflict, where in the mane of religion little schoolchildren are threatened by normal people.

The Israel-Palestine-conflict is aclass of its own, because it was allowed that this conflict could escalate to a point where people perform kamikaze operations and others act with military against civilians.

This is very sad, because the victims are in the most cases the innocents.

But as long as the fanatics like Sharon or Arafat are leading them they have to continue their bloody and senseless game of hate...

Good post. I'm pretty Pro Isrealie but all I see is an endless cycle thats being fed by both sides. Its simply goes to show that to be in a postion of power you dont have to be the brightest bulb in the shed.

xBAT

takeda · « **Reply #53 on:** July 23, 2002, 05:38:23 AM »

I do not think "killing" the entire family, relatives would be and I would be against that extreme.

Eagler

Here you go:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47107-2002Jul22.html

Eagler · « **Reply #54 on:** July 23, 2002, 06:14:51 AM »

yes, very sad - some of blame should go to hamas murder who hides among innocents, no?

straffo · « **Reply #55 on:** July 23, 2002, 06:36:38 AM »

Sure Eagler but like BatDog said it's an :

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endless cycle thats being fed by both sides

Lance · « **Reply #56 on:** July 23, 2002, 11:46:04 AM »

That was a good post, Babek. The one difference between the situations is that one side was completely broken and both sides lost a couple of generations to war before that atmosphere could arise. Could it have happened otherwise? I dunno, but it would have been more difficult.

babek- · « **Reply #57 on:** July 23, 2002, 01:37:12 PM »

No doubt that the Israeli-Palestine-conflict is more complicated than the French-German-conflict has been.

But after seeing the endless pictures and reports of innocent victims of palestine or israeli terror, I just hope that their fanatic and criminal leaders will soon be replaced by real politicians who are able to negotiate and end this senseless bloodshed.

Actually its more than sad to see the escalations but as an optimist I still have hope that this nonsense will end.

Udie · « **Reply #58 on:** July 23, 2002, 02:31:58 PM »

One thing in this whole mess I don't understand is the utter stupidity of the Palestinian "leaders".

Are they so short sided that they can't see that if they would simply stop the terror bombings they could/would win thier state? World opinion would turn on a dime against Isreal, hell it almost has even with the homicide bombings. Yet they would rather go kill women and children.

I really don't understand that.....

babek- · « **Reply #59 on:** July 23, 2002, 04:05:52 PM »

We have the luxury and the luck to live in normal countries which are not pushed into a circle of hate by inner conflicts.

There are many places in this world where the actions of the conflict parties seem to be totally mad and irrational.
Just tak ethe hate of christians in North Ireland.

And the situation in Israel and palestine is much worse.

The palestine terrorists had used their new tactic of coordinated suicide attacks - killing so many people at this bus station.

And today Israel has fueled the hate by this criminal missile attack, where they killed of wounded more than 100 civilians only to kill one terrorist.

Under such circumstances a logical behavior of the people is very unlikely.

So we - sitting here in our save homes - can judge the situation theoreticly and wish that both sides stop their stupid policy of killing innocents and pray that in a day of the future two politicians act.

But with the terrorist-combo of Sharon-Arafat there will be no chance of peace.

The good thing is that both of these idiots are very old - so maybe nature will solve the problem