Confessed cheaters in Aces High

[Preon1]

Look Voss,

You may see it as cheating.  I know many do.  But I look on espionage as a fact of the game, and a very wonderful aspect of it at that.  Tell me you have never seen this scenario:

You organize a mission:
Low level fiter sweep followed by high altitude escorted buffs.
It takes you 10 minutes to pull the people together, during which time, planes miraculously start rolling from your target and STAY there.

This has happened to me all the time.  No doubt, someone has told the badguys that a major attack is coming and so-and-so base is the target.

Solution?
Fly to the target as expected, hit them high with your fiter sweep, but at the last moment, turn your buffs to your alternate(real) target in a timely manner so the defense at the dummy target can't catch up and the defense at the real target doesn't have time to get to alt.

Why is this cool?
Espionage is a convenient bonus in Aces High that adds a human level to the game that no amount of programming could ever POSSIBLY offer.  Personally, I consider it a major part of the strategic and operational aspect of the game.

Did I use my roommate's computer to log on and switch to Bish?  Yes.
Ofcourse, how hard is it to believe that warring nations don't use spies?

Did I switch to bish myself to turn the CV?  Yes.
Ofcourse, how hard is it to believe that opposing nations don't attempt to send forged orders to isolated units?  You could look at that as me taking advantage of the fact that I had a higher rank and wanted the cv back (yes it was more than a bit off sides)...  or else, you could consider me a damn fine Intelligence and Communication officer.

Finally, if you're looking for a punishment, HT has forbade me the command of CV13.  Hopefully it will only last the duration of this war, but perhaps its a worthy cost of getting caught  

In any case, I have no regrets, I have no qualms with what I did and what people still do, and I have no doubt you've disagreed with everything I've written here.

So I suggest this:
Everytime you see somebody commiting an act of espionage, report it.  Make it public.  Start a one man campaign against the evil that has infiltrated the innocent game that we know of as Aces High, because if you don't... I think perhaps nobody will.

Save us Voss

[aknimitz]

See, now Fidd why do you have to go and be a love muffin and start insulting people because they disagree with you?  I am no more clueless than you are Oh Mighty One of Right Doings and Gaming-the-Game Protocol.

I have my views, you have yours.  I have no problem with you thinking that is sound tactical strategics - I however do not.  If we are even on the same country and it is benig done with a CV, I will announce its coordinates at once.  *shrug*  Ill play the game I want to play the game, and you do the same and we'll all live happily ever after  

And yeah, changing sides is a bit much I agree.  But I suspect that was done more with the intent of pissing you guys after after the incessant whining that to turn over the CV  

Nim

[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: aknimitz ]

[Fidd]

Unfortunatly we crossed posts. I'd edited out that paragraph as soon as I'd posted it, as upon reflection it was a bit too strong. I has thought you were advocating Preon1's changing sides, but after posting, I re-read your post and edited out the "Nim is clueless" paragraph in mine.

Personally, I don't like the idea of announcing CV locs to opposing forces. But it is certainly impossible to prevent. It's not something I'd do - but there you are.

At the end of the day, Port captures, and CV extractions take a good deal of teamwork and protracted "capping", by many players, opposing that, 1 arse can undo all of that by changing sides. That was my point.


Fidd

 

Originally posted by aknimitz:
See, now Fidd why do you have to go and be a love muffin and start insulting people because they disagree with you?  I am no more clueless than you are Oh Mighty One of Right Doings and Gaming-the-Game Protocol.

I have my views, you have yours.  I have no problem with you thinking that is sound tactical strategics - I however do not.  If we are even on the same country and it is benig done with a CV, I will announce its coordinates at once.  *shrug*  Ill play the game I want to play the game, and you do the same and we'll all live happily ever after    

And yeah, changing sides is a bit much I agree.  But I suspect that was done more with the intent of pissing you guys after after the incessant whining that to turn over the CV  

Nim

[ 11-07-2001: Message edited by: aknimitz ]

[Hangtime]

*yawn*

How 'bout them Yankees?

[aknimitz]

The Yanks got beat  

Nim

[the_hegemon]

*yawn*

how 'bout them BEARS?

[Dead Man Flying]

I have a pretty simple solution to this problem.

Don't count CVs toward resets.  Don't make it so that you have to destroy a CV in order to force the reset if it's one of the last "fields."  Let's face it... it's not like a CV is going to function forever without the ability to return to port for refueling or resupplying.  Shut off all port access and it would be just a matter of time before the CV becomes a floating hunk of metal.

By excluding CVs from the reset, we stop two things -- the gamey moving of CVs off-map to avoid destruction, and the gamey changing of countries to move said fleet back into harm's way.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[the_hegemon]

SwampRat, last time I checked,  life and war were not fair.

It's just a game, get over it.


And why exactly would you retire over this?

[StSanta]

I find the ones who log in with a second computer to spoil carefully built missions more annoying.

It's gone so far that ch2 isn't safe for mission talk. When someone asks "where u going?" they get no response from me.

The game allows it, of course. A good breeding groud for suspicion, too.

On a sidenote, I hate the cv hiding toejame - for that spying seems an appropriate punishment.

[Pepe]

Santa,

I subscribe your points.

On the Ch2 issue, I guess HT could rename it to Ch2_MAW, for avoidance of doubt  

Cheers,

Pepe

[Tumor]

Originally posted by the_hegemon:
SwampRat, last time I checked,  life and war were not fair.

It's just a game, get over it.


And why exactly would you retire over this?

  Actually I was "sort of" kidding.  I'll paraphrase "I know it's considered cheating by most but I like it".  A true testament to lots of attitudes I see in the young folks coming into the military today.

  You are correct, it is a game.  So, how about we do away with the time limit on switching "countries" so everyone can do this any time they want without having to use a seperate account?  

  From the reactions I've seen in this thread, I honestly see no reason for a time limit.  Spies are part of LIFE and WAR right?  Well, lets make it easy.

Tumor

[CavemanJ]

Originally posted by Fidd:

Personally, I don't like the idea of announcing CV locs to opposing forces. But it is certainly impossible to prevent. It's not something I'd do - but there you are.

There's already a network that spans all countries and reports the location of the "hidden" fleets.  To the best of my knowledge these folks will report the location of a fleet to someone in the appropiate country if the fleet has been driven to a far corner of the map just to hide it from that country.  If it's actually being used in operations it's location goes unreported.

[popeye]

"He could do this since he outranked every bishop online."

Well, there's your problem.    

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Voss:

The rest of these guys (asses all) don't have a clue!

Hey, I resemble that remark!

Who cares about ships or gv's, this is a flight sim! The other is fluff for those who do not know how to fly  

[K West]

DMF has the answer. If HTC can do it that is the way to go. Even in RL quite a bit of the defeated nations' fleets came home to port after capitulation.

 Westy