Author Topic: The bombers are gone (Read 596 times)

Turbot · « **on:** July 20, 2002, 11:31:40 PM »

Have you seen them?

Tumor · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2002, 03:29:43 AM »

.....it's a path of least resistance thing.

airspro · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2002, 05:25:31 AM »

Donno but I shot down 10 last night , from 10 to 12 pm eastern .

I don't see many flying in or near a furball anymore though . Seems the three ship formation isn't any harder to kill than the one ship IMO .

devious · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2002, 05:40:09 AM »

Just seen 3 b26s turn and run from my mighty 109g2. Decided for some vulching and lettig off the chase.

Revvin · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2002, 06:03:34 AM »

No.9 is still here

The new bomber systems are great and we've had not problems adapting to the new bombsight its not that difficult after some practice. You still need to salvo up and this means more bombers over the target needed but they can still be effective more so on strategic targets. I've managed to take out two hangars in reasonable proximity by using the right combination of speed/delay and salvo so it can be done it'sjust another learning curve which some seem to want to avoid. Of course the other problem is one we've had here since Aces High ever started and it's a problem that effects Warbirds as well and that is the arena is set up for fast capture so as long as you throw up enough heavy fighters with a goon in tow the field is yours. One thing that might help is an increase of targets per airfield (things like larger fuel dumps, planes on the infields, office blocks) and to also toughen up the town buildings that can be totally destroyed by a few cannon rounds.

Moose1 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2002, 06:12:01 AM »

Oh, I still see 'em quite a bit. Mostly over my fields. I'm a rook.

Actually, I see fewer of them than I used to, but people are still using them. And, people are starting to use them on fields again, not just towns and strat. The difference is, they're using a formation of three 17s or Lancs to kill maybe two FHs or similar targets, instead of using one heavy and its pre-1.10 load of GBU-16s to pinpoint all the fuel from 20k.

I definitely agree we need more heavy-friendly targets, though. Fields and current strats are way too spread out for them. The towns are perfect targets (I like taking fast bombers, Ki-67s or B-26s, and hitting towns from 10k) but it's still faster to swarm the town with fighter-bombers. I like Revvin's idea of toughening up the town a bit, that makes the level bombers a lot more useful.

LePaul · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2002, 10:29:36 AM »

Haven't flown a buff since 1.10, as I haven't had a chance to learn the new sight, etc. Do I like it...dunno...thought the whines over it were rather silly. Buffs dont like furballers, furballers dont like buffs...2 parties that wont ever agree on what strat is all about. Most of the folks I've flown buffs with are flying JABO now.

At some point, I'd like to try it out once I've rehearsed how its all supposed to function. In the meantime, I'm having a pretty good time in the 109G10 and the 190A8

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2002, 10:33:50 AM »

All I saw yesterday were 15 Ju 88s, 20 B-26s, 20 110s, 15 B-17s and 3 lancs. But I only played for 2 hours.

AKDejaVu

Joc · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2002, 10:56:37 AM »

Ive started a new Bomber squadron,so you WILL be seeing a LOT more bombers comin yer way,especially if youre named Saw.....hehehehe

JoeDirt · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2002, 11:17:18 AM »

whatever happen to the DickWeed heavy bomber group?

Puck · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2002, 11:33:53 AM »

Wellp, I shot down two and two thirds formations of JU88s in an FM2, and saw another three or five formations go down elsewhere in the area. I'm still learning the bombsight offline, but I'm also learning carrier ops, so it's not something I expect to be able to bring back into the arena anytime in the immediate future.

Basic tactics are going to change; one lanc at 30,000 feet won't be able to close down a field anymore. For that matter a formation of Lancs will probably not be able to close it. Going to need more *GASP* cooperative logistics *gasp* for heavy bombers to be the threat they were before.

Realistically the map is more of a JABO hunting ground. Maybe make the strategic targets more condisive to strategic bombing? Right now all we have are tactical targets, which are JABO territory.

Be intersting to see the "factories" turn into huge complexes with monster buildings and *tons* of AAA (more than the impressive golden BB effect of the CVBGs). Something the new area bombing model can really sink its teeth into, and somewhere the JABOS would fear to tread (the non-suicide JABOs).

Don't know the answer. This is still a game, and if it gets slowed down too much that would be a bad thing. The Pizza slowed things down, and the whining, moaning, and gnashing of teeth reached biblical proportions. Personally I just turned off ALL the labeling and had a map with nothing but radar coverage. Want to find a fight, go look for red dots and bars. No thought required.

JMHO. HTH. HAND.

Revvin · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2002, 04:39:29 PM »

No.9 Squadron RAF led a mission of 30 B17's tonight so the bombers are far from gone and we're very much enjoying the new changes to the bombsight system in v1.10. Maybe casual bombers have given up bombing but I don't see why as the bombsight is easy enough to use after a bit of practice as we have done as a squad and got it down to a pretty fine art now. Judging from the mails I get as well there are still plenty of pilots wanting to fly bombers or be taught to fly bombers and we had two new guys online tonight with us. The only problem affecting bombers right now is the way the arena's are set up more for fast capture with fields easier to capture with a swarm of heavy fighters rather than co-ordinate with some bombers, as CO of No.9 I have never been asked if we could help because of the fast capture arena setup.

Things that would help would be:

The introduction of craters damaging undercarriage
More targets at airfields
Capture conditions being changed so that more targets needto be destroyed before capture is possible
Being able to spread drones by a .spread command
Town object's being tougher to destroy, at the moment they are killed by only a few cannon rounds

Not all of those suggestions would be hard to implement and would certainly give more options open to bombers. Strategic bombing can be fun as we showed tonight in the MA, we crossed several enemy sectors and passed by many enemy held airfields and the only real enemy that stopped our goal of destroying the HQ was a large bank of cloud which forced us to our secondary target and gave the enemy chance to up fighters. It was still fun for us even though we sucuumbed to enemy numbers in the end and I hope fun for the enemy engaging us, certainly realistic to see 30 B17's being attacked by swarms of 109's 190's and 262's.

mipoikel · « **Reply #12 on:** July 22, 2002, 01:22:10 AM »

I shot down 2 of those with 262. Revvin and Keez.

Pilot wounded and engine smoking but landed succesfully.

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** July 22, 2002, 02:30:48 AM »

Revvin,

I can't say how strongly I disagree with you about toughening the town. Right now the town is the only thing that the Ki-67, Boston Mk III and TBM can have any effect on. If it gets toughened they won't have any use at all.

Xjazz · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2002, 02:46:29 AM »

Hi!

Revvin write:
"Town object's being tougher to destroy, at the moment they are killed by only a few cannon rounds"

Before airport town capturing (v1.08?) we need kill (JABO) all airfield acks untill goons could drop to airport map room. Small-Medium-Large airports have different number of akcs ie. workload.

Why we have now only one size of airport towns? Size of the airport should bring less or more workload to attacking side, so:

Small airport have town (village) size like now days
Small NOE JABO team could still destroy small airport town and capture the airport like now days.

Medium have two times bigger town
Medium airport town needs much more destruction power, so do you use bigger jabo team or buffs or even both for the job?

Large have three times bigger town
Large airport capturing is real war. There is way too much of defence power, buildings etc for jabo team alone. Buffs are now very much needed. NOE jabo attack teams could first take out acks flaks, GVs & radas just before buffs arrive...