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Offline Kweassa

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« on: July 20, 2002, 10:57:17 PM »
What is it with this particular time zone? US western time 6:00 PM in Hawaii, 7:00PM in Alaska, 8:00 PM in LA, and 11:00 PM in New York.

 Rooks maintain about simular numbers to everyone else and then suddenly, the numbers drop at general US prime time. Currently, as I am writing this whine, the numbers are 157:149:79. People from the Europe are logging off to go to sleep. A few hours before when I logged on, when it was prime time in the Europe, it was 130:129:119.

I don't think there are particularly more sleepyheads in Rookland, and no, it wasn't a reset phase where people just walk out. It wasn't a gangbang too, and our people were not clogged up in a single area. The fight was evenly spread, and just not enough people to do anything.

 Could it be most people who log on in this particular time, particularly people from the US,  are almost exclusively members of the Bishops and Knights?

 Is there anyway to even up the situation, or do we have to wait for voluntary country jumping to even out things(which, is probably something that will never happen)?

 Any people from the US please consider fighting with the Rooks. For about 3~4 hours until the numbers drop below 200, it is living hell for Rooks to play.

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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2002, 11:34:24 PM »
This ones easy. It's always fun to fly in our country.

select clipboard > map> change country.

select > bishops.

Click OK

kill the red planes. help the green ones. make stuff on the ground smoke.

Feel your anxieties slip away, your angst dimished with every chute you kill.  

No worries.

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2002, 03:05:35 AM »
And be a gangbanger fighting with five other Bishes for each kill?

No thanks, Hangtime.

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Offline Moose1

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2002, 06:07:57 AM »
You could certainly tell when the numbers changed last night, that's for sure.  We (Rooks) had been doing all right, taking some fields, generally holding our own, but when we fell below 100 players, of course the momentum shifted and we went over on the defensive.  Even so, we were still holding up well when I logged about midnight EDT.  We've been down on numbers all month...I'd attributed it to some squads rotating out to other countries this tour, and that the Pizza had pissed off a lot of rooks.  But now that we're back on the old maps we're still pretty short on numbers late in the evening.

The only thing that bothers me about numbers isn't "gangbanging"--each side will always be fighting both other sides, and that's just how it is.  It's the fact that numbers really are the determining factor of how well a side does on the map.  Right now, our gameplay rewards brute force.

I wish we could come up with some gameplay elements that reward using your head instead of just throwing 40 planes at a field.  Don't get me wrong, the knights did some outstanding big raids on us last night that clearly showed planning (the one on 27, or was it 29?, that captured the field in about 5 minutes--nice touch using FM2s as close escort for the 110s/Mossies!).  Throwing 40 planes at a field works, but the warps are horrendous, making defense that much tougher.

Slimpikn and I got A5 with just the two of us yesterday afternoon EDT.  I drove the goon and hung out west of the field thinking very small thoughts (thank you to all the dots that ignored me :p ) while he killed the town in a Flakpanzer, then re-upped A8 in an La-7, flew back NOE, killed the last ack, and then drug the field's one defender off while I snuck in behind them and dropped.  It was perfect--but the only reason we could do it is because the bish ignored the alert warning for 10 solid minutes.  The alert warning went off as soon as slimpikn spawned the Ostwind--over the hill, out of sight of the town.

Maybe HTC could change the alert warnings?  Make them so that they only go off if the enemy is either (a) seen on radar or (b) within positive visual ID range of the town or base?  (Meaning within con range for aircraft, or within visual range for GVs.)  That way it would be a little easier to sneak a base instead of having to run massive numbers at it.

Ah well, it's too early on a Sunday morning for me to even be awake.   to the bish and nits for some nice big raids last night and to my brother rooks for holding up.  And to whoever that bish was that managed to get an LVT under 20 rooks and capture A7 yesterday afternoon.  You should've heard channel 2 after THAT one!  :confused:

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2002, 10:50:59 AM »
For those most interested in the most equal numbers for each side, how about a Random Arena where the host assigns countries as players sign on?  

Of course that would make squad play impossible, but for individuals wanting to make new friends and play on the most level playing field, it could be an interesting concept as an auxiliary arena, not a replacement arena.

This would be far in the future when HiTech Creations has so much capacity that it wonders what to do with excess arena capacity (absolutely free of warps and freezes and able to handle 10,000 players simultaneously in one fight, not just one arena).
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2002, 10:57:45 AM »
When the numbers get totally skewed I've noticed its usually because one country just dissappears.  I played until 5pm Pacific time last night and the numbers were pretty even the whole time.

And they were always higher (for the rooks) than the 79 that you list there.  Strange their numbers would drop so severely.

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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2002, 11:02:08 AM »
Jesus.. what are yah, a buncha Numbers Nazi's?

What, we're all supposed to give up our ability to CHOOSE where and when we fly so you yahoos can be assured of even sides in MA play?

Don't blame bishland for rook and knit desertions. Bishland is as populated with ill-informed incompetent newbie pinheads that country jump at the first sign of a change in fortune as knitland and rookland.

You want enforced even side game play, join a freakin baseball team.
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2002, 12:08:53 PM »
Thats funny Hang:)

Now stop pickin on the 11 people who expect perfection in an imperfect world!

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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2002, 01:45:28 PM »
Although most squads and and a majority of the nonsquad players stick exclusively to one country, I think most players would like the option to even out the sides prior to entering the main arena. Most of the sims have an option to do this before the login. This could set up the arena for blatent side jumpers but the majority of the players in AH are mature enough IMO not to abuse something like this. Or maybe just shorten the time to a couple of hrs before you can change back to your prefered country instead of the 24 hrs it's set to now. Anyways just  a suggestion.

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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2002, 01:48:14 PM »
Hmmm.. the whole "evening out the sides" argument is simply BS.

The rooks didn't get in that situation because everyone switched to another team... simply because alot of them logged off.  The numbers were close, then 30 mins later they weren't.  No side switching... no influx of newbies... no rotating squads... they just had that many log off.

So now, simply because the rooks like to log off en mass... everyone else must be forced to rearrange their country affiliation.

Sorry... but no.

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« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2002, 05:00:05 AM »
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So now, simply because the rooks like to log off en mass...


  Numbers always flow around according to time, and when one country retains a certain number, let's say 100, and if they still have 100 people three hours later, the chances are, only about 10~20 of the people will be the same people as logged on three hours before. People log off, and new people log on to fill the gap. This consistency goes about until US Western time goes over 1~2AM and people go to sleep.

 The question is, then, why after the European prime time(When the clock's around 6:00pm~12:00pm in US East) only Rook numbers drop so suddenly? Is it really because Rook players have some unexplained tendency to log off en mass? Or is it because there aren't many new players logging on a particular country in a particular time zone?

 People log off in all countries when it comes bed time, and new people log on to fill their places. So, why is it then only a certain country has trouble maintaining overall numbers?

 Wouldn't it be logical to assume individuals, or squads flying in US time zones are sort of massed up into the other two countries?

 I'm just curious here why this keeps going on. Sure, it's not a perfect world, but when something happens over and over and over again, in exactly the same manner, there's gotta be a reason behind it.

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2002, 07:54:44 AM »
Maybe the question shouldn't be who logs off at that time, but rather who logs on.

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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2002, 08:09:06 AM »
The dildo worshipers seem to have pretty steady numbers.
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« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2002, 08:09:21 AM »
What about having 4 or 5 counties i stead of three.. and instead of the first to loose decides reset allow the defeted nation players being allowed  to join other country till one over all side wins..

at the moment i feel the waiting so long to change countrys , 12 hours i think, while being a good thing on one hand, is not the absolute answer..

affiliating you self with another country when your nation is beaten could work..you automaticaly join the nation with least players only after your home one is totaly dead..maybe even moveing a whole squad together..

its just an idea..

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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2002, 08:20:31 AM »
Everyone knows that it is only the Rooks that are **REAL MEN**tm

Also, when you fly Rook, you are blessed with numerous targets, never has to look for a fight, the fight always comes to you :cool:

I fly Rook, and will do so forever, proud to be a rook, as we are the real AH elite :D

Its fun to be a Rook.

Rook forever :cool:

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