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Offline Gonz0

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« on: July 22, 2002, 02:18:03 PM »
I am running an AMD 2000 XP, 512 DDR ram, Giga-Byte GA-tvtxe motherboard.  I have three RAM slots.  If I use the original 2-256 ram chips everything is OK.  If I add a 256 chip or a 512 chip I get lock ups and sometimes Windows XP wont load.  System stats say I can run up to 1 Gig Ram...but haven't been able.  I have already swapped RAM chips and the Manufacturer indicates there should be no compatibility issues.  Is this a Windows XP prob or a motherboard prob?  Extras:  Install the 512 chip and it wont run...install two other 256 chips...wont run...keep the original 2-256 chips in slots 1 and 2 and add a 256 chip and XP runs but some progs crash like AH.  Keep original 2-256 chips and add the 512 chip and XP wont load.

Thank you in advance for your insight.

Gonz

Offline LePaul

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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2002, 03:06:49 PM »
Having been through the woes with a GigaByte (GigaCrap) board....one thought, make sure you have the latest Bios version that will use that RAM

Otherwise, ponder swapping it out for a better brand, like MSI

Offline AcId

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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2002, 03:43:28 PM »
I know for a fact XP supports at least 1Gb of RAM, cuz thats whats in muh box :D

Offline Gonz0

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something must be wrong
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2002, 08:30:15 PM »
I tried to update BIOS but it says you cant update from a boot disk with windows XP.  Other than that I am at a loss for an explanation...need some more help.

Gonz

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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2002, 09:19:16 PM »
It won't help you any, but it's a "known fact" that many motherboards will not actually function with all three ram slots filled.  There are other issues as well, because some ram sticks are single sided and some are double sided.  For example, I have 2x256 meg sticks but BIOS reports that banks 0,1,2,3 are filled, so my DDR sticks are "double sided" or something like that.  I suspect that if you try to put in 2x512 meg sticks, it might work just fine, and it might work fine if you try one 256 meg stick and one 512 meg stick.

Many hardware review sites like http://www.hardocp.com and http://www.anandtech.com test stability by filling all ram slots and seeing if it will even boot properly.  You'd be suprised at how many motherboards fail that simple test even when running at "stock", non-overclocked speeds.

I suggest either trying 2 512 meg sticks if you're dead set on having a full gig of ram, or trying another motherboard.  In any case, make sure you have the memory timings in BIOS set to the most conservative settings anytime you try a new memory configuration or it might be hopeless.
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Thanks Eagl
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2002, 09:26:00 PM »
I have no need to overclock this setup...it screams as it is...but sitting here looking at all the RAM I cant use pisses me off.  I will try your other configs and report back.

Thanks again for all of you who replied.

Gonz

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2002, 01:14:59 AM »
I know the answer to your problem, and some others here hit on it.  Your ram is probably fine.  The problem is that very few motherboards using DDR SDRAM are capable of working with more than 5 banks of memory installed.  (A double-sided DIMM counts for two banks - i.e. has memory chips on both sides.)  I very much doubt your board will work with 6 banks installed at all.  This is why many boards only come with 2 DDR ram slots at all to avoid this issue.

There's more to this though:

I do not recommend you use 3 sticks of DDR RAM in any system.  Often times boards will fall back to more conservative memory timings as soon as they see more than 4 banks of memory installed.  (This isn't a published issue, but it's a fact.)  I believe you'll find that if you use the 512MB stick in slot 1, and the 256MB stick in slot 2 the system will work fine.  This would be the optimum configuration for your system.  Should you choose to do any FSB overclocking it is best to use 2 sticks of RAM as well.

On a more technical note, the JEDEC standards board just released a final spec for DDR SDRAM modules which add resistors  to the memory PCB layout.  Like SDRAM, DDR SDRAM is appears as a near open-circuit on the bus (i.e. non impedance matched for those of you who understand what I'm getting at here) which means that signals will partially reflect, resulting in noise on the memory bus.  It is this noise which keeps boards from operating with aggressive memory timings with more than 4 banks of memory (or 5 in some cases) installed.  The new JEDEC standard adds resistors to try to reduce these signal reflections.  When memory complying to the standard is available you may find all 3 slots can be filled and still work correctly.

This isn't a memory module problem, nor is it directly caused by the motherboard, though some motherboards with very well routed traces (i.e. short and straight) can use 3 sticks of DDR SDRAM and work.  It's just a fundamental issue with SDRAM.

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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2002, 09:31:27 AM »
Bloom

Good read on the RAM specs....what's your thoughts on Crucial brand RAM versus others?  I used to buy RAM at the local PC Place but like that the RAM Im buying is KNOWN to work fine in my particular motherboard and guranteed.  But, I dont know if Crucial is any better than, oh, say PNY or whoever else makes it.

My MSI KT3 Ultra has been great with 1 512mb DDR 2100 stick, and I was thinking of throwing another 1, or 2 in there to max it out.  Again, via Crucial.  Still a good idea?

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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2002, 10:23:45 AM »
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Originally posted by LePaul
Bloom

Good read on the RAM specs....what's your thoughts on Crucial brand RAM versus others?  I used to buy RAM at the local PC Place but like that the RAM Im buying is KNOWN to work fine in my particular motherboard and guranteed.  But, I dont know if Crucial is any better than, oh, say PNY or whoever else makes it.

My MSI KT3 Ultra has been great with 1 512mb DDR 2100 stick, and I was thinking of throwing another 1, or 2 in there to max it out.  Again, via Crucial.  Still a good idea?


LePaul,

when buying ram, i always go by this saying.
Buy Quality over Quantity.  cause Quality will
outpreform quantity almost all the time.

whels

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2002, 10:41:17 AM »
I usually buy crucial.  Their prices are reasonable for quality ram and they offer free shipping for online purchases.  Corsair is also supposed to be pretty good.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2002, 07:22:58 PM »
Crucial is typically very good ram.

The VERY BEST is Mushkin, but it is also very expensive.

When I buy ram I typically buy Crucial, Corsair, or Kingston (I can't afford Mushkin :) ).

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2002, 07:28:06 PM »
One more 512 MB stick should work perfectly fine LePaul, but 2 more would probably not work.  The best you could probably do is 2 double sided 512MB sticks and 1 single sided 256MB stick.

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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2002, 08:42:33 AM »
Thanks Bloom...1 GB should be overkill for a computer dedicated to playing games  :D