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Offline Vortex

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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2002, 07:13:33 PM »
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What are u afraid off ?

Is there any cheats to this game , or isnt it . wel i think it is .

 


Anyone that thinks this game hasn't been hacked, isn't being hacked presently, and won't continue to be hacked is a fool.

However, is this such an instance? I doubt it. Network burp of some sort is more likely.
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Offline AKSWulfe

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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2002, 07:21:45 PM »

Wel i dont look for cheats ,cuz i never ever cheats . But i have been a server admin for one of norways best Counter strike servers and i know what type of cheats there is in CS. I guess that if a game is popular , someone gonna try to make a cheat or 2 .  

Me either, but typically common sense (if you are a computer person) will point you to the answer. Don't cry cheat unless you are 100% positive, otherwise you create skeptics, not allies.


* 1  autoaim , coud be possible

Requires a certain algorithm to work. I don't believe it can work here since there is actually bullet trajectory and leading of the target required. Autoaim works well in Quake and CS because there is no bullet trajectory or need to lead.

* 2 Wallhack , IS possible i guess

That is more or less a clipping deal, and wouldn't be applicable in this game- except for ground vehicles.

* 3 Speed hack

This looks identical to warping and would not produce the situation you describe above and have in the film.

and so on ... not hard to think what cheats coud be produced to this game .

Actually it is, since you don't know how well the program is encrypted and what kind of checksums are built in to detect program alterations.

Only thing i have a problem with is that blame it on the connection , wel if ALL or atleast alot of people have connection problems then the HOST is not good.

Most people inside the states enjoy fairly good connections. Of course, you are in Norway and this would probably explain a majority of your connection problems.

It dosent help that all here say/blame the connection when there coud be cheats out there. YOU players shoud be concerned about cheats and i woud never post this post if i hadnt any proof . view the film ... maybee it is connection this time ..BUT BE VERY CAREFULL ABOUT BLAMING CONNECTIONS for all who suspect a cheat .

Actually, it's the other way around. It doesn't help to accuse someone of cheating when it could be a multitude of things having to do with internet connectivity. His connection, your connection, the host's traffic, bandwidth at your end/his end/host's end, routers, backbones, the list goes on and on. Your connection is only a small fraction of the process for internet play on a remote host located in another country.

So be careful, if you think it's a cheat... don't let that be your first and last assumption, ask him for a film. Ask his team mates or your team mates what they saw. Ask him what his net status looks like. Check out your net status. Ask your friendlies if you are warping. Ask them if he was warping.

For someone to cry cheat so quickly, it sure seems like you didn't do a lot of troubleshooting to ascertain the situation.

Wooty- let me know when whatever game you are playing reaches 400+ players every night on the same server.
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« Last Edit: July 23, 2002, 07:26:40 PM by AKSWulfe »
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Offline Beegerite

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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2002, 07:24:20 PM »
So?  Get a Cessna 150 pointed into a strong headwind.  Drop flaps and hold minimum maneuvering speed and you'll "zoom" backwards.  Used to do it all the time :D
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I think if you understood how the internet works, how PCs communicate, and that the internet is one of the most unstable and unreliable pieces of technology that people have come to rely on... then you'd understand anything is possible in games over the internet without "cheating".

I've seen planes fly backwards.
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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2002, 08:00:49 PM »
LOL, a friend of mines dad when we were kids took off in a Piper Cub with a decent headwind, took him an hour to get to the end of the runway :D ( SFO alternate emergency strip Half Moon Bay Airport )
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Offline X2Lee

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« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2002, 08:07:44 PM »
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So?  Get a Cessna 150 pointed into a strong headwind.  Drop flaps and hold minimum maneuvering speed and you'll "zoom" backwards.  Used to do it all the time :D
Beeg

 


Hahah what a crock very min speed is about 43

helluva headwind :D
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Offline faminz

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« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2002, 08:14:47 PM »
This cheater stuff is sooo old...
Ive spent well over 5 years playing in AW and now AH and theres always someone who says someone else is cheating. And the only thing I ever saw proven was the forcing of warps by prssing the 'take a picture' key in AW. and that was fixed pretty damn quick. (hmmm wonder if it'd work in AH.... lol)

I play from New Zealand so lag or latency is a definite concern. I usually have a ping round 300.

I know that I have lag, I allow for it... I get kills. (not a lot but my share...)

Norway prolly has a very similar environment network wise (actually should be faster given the cold...lol) so just get over it and adapt!

It isnt cheating! Period!
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« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2002, 08:22:59 PM »
This just happened to me the first time today.:(   A Yak made a BnZ run on me, i evaded it (or so i thought), he flies off and i go boom 20 secs later.  My netstat was fine, so his must have been bad.:(

Got it all on film, not just the bit where i scream WTF.:D
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« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2002, 08:29:19 PM »
Host is prob good in the states , but its not good to europeans . I know this was a big concern with AO ( anarchy Online). So why do AH take european customers IF they cant handle it ???

If this is a connection issue then the shoud get a better host for europeans or get a server for europe . Or they coud make it a game for only americans and those around them ( canadians and sutch) .
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« Reply #53 on: July 23, 2002, 08:31:09 PM »
"We have so many folks posting accusations on this BBS, yet not ONE has been proven to be a cheater yet."

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Wrong and you know it. people have been caught and it has been proven. do a bbs search or ask mitsu. for just one instance. there are many others.

wont go into it but yea one type of hack is a joke to do . it is probly the most common because it is undetectable and has been discussed on this board befor.

do you guys ever thing about anything but blindly cheerleading. like truth or integrety ?  shure as hell looks like you got your morals from "The Prince"
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« Reply #54 on: July 23, 2002, 08:37:51 PM »
They can handle European customers just fine. Many European people play here, it just so happens that somewhere between your house and the host, there's a toejamty link up. Or it's your ISP... hell it could be a half dozen problems congregating into one big problem- a toejamty connection to the AH server.

If the service is unacceptable, don't pay for it. Many European players, however, do find it acceptable... or atleast keep playing and paying for it.

As far as a European host, that requires hiring more people, buying another server, another ISP(European), another physical location for the server and new staff, and well... effectively triples (or more) the cost to run the business. Which in turn requires several hundred more paying/playing customers. And probably a price hike for the service too.
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« Reply #55 on: July 23, 2002, 08:38:56 PM »
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do you guys ever thing about anything but blindly cheerleading. like truth or integrety ?  shure as hell looks like you got your morals from "The Prince"


Please draw the connection for me between Machiavelli and so-called false and corrupt cheerleading?  I don't see it.
 
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« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2002, 08:55:51 PM »
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"We have so many folks posting accusations on this BBS, yet not ONE has been proven to be a cheater yet."

ripsnort


Wrong and you know it. people have been caught and it has been proven. do a bbs search or ask mitsu. for just one instance. there are many others.

wont go into it but yea one type of hack is a joke to do . it is probly the most common because it is undetectable and has been discussed on this board befor.

do you guys ever thing about anything but blindly cheerleading. like truth or integrety ?  shure as hell looks like you got your morals from "The Prince"


Mitsu did in fact film someone cheating before. But that does not mean that just because someone sees something strange can automatically assume and accuse others of cheating. First, it shouldn't have been brought this bbs.  Looks like emotional diatribe to me.
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« Reply #57 on: July 23, 2002, 11:00:14 PM »
"So why do AH take european customers IF they cant handle it ??? "

That's what the 2 week free trial is for.  It seems many European players connects are tolerable enough for them to pay.  It was suggested in your other thread that you do a ping plot.  try it, post your results, maybe someone can help you.
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« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2002, 11:08:18 PM »
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this is what happens when a company runs a game server on a isdn connection.  i guess, like the graphics, sound and gameplay, that was cool in 1997 also.  mehk



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« Reply #59 on: July 23, 2002, 11:22:55 PM »
wooty the reason the connection is bad is because there are 4 times as many people playing AH then the 'other' sim on a weeknight

I speculate that there are some legal issues behind the reason of not getting the new pipe promised like 6 months ago
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