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« on: July 23, 2002, 10:00:07 AM »
or anybody else that works out, What's your maximum bench press? I just recently started working out a little (yesterday :)), because frankly, I've become a pot bellied outa shape slob. Might actually start running too. Out of interest tho, how much is your max bench press? ( 230lbs was actually giving me some trouble, shhh, don't tell anybody :D)

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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2002, 10:06:18 AM »
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or anybody else that works out, What's your maximum bench press? I just recently started working out a little (yesterday :)), because frankly, I've become a pot bellied outa shape slob. Might actually start running too. Out of interest tho, how much is your max bench press? ( 230lbs was actually giving me some trouble, shhh, don't tell anybody :D)


A good measure of max bench is this:

1.5 times your body weight if your under 40 years old. (So I've been told by a personal trainer)

1.25 times your body weight if your over 40 years old.

Next Tuesday will be my bi-annual test, currently once a week I work up to 3 reps of 285, so 315 is my goal (1 rep, 3 plates a side)  Typically I do a pyramid, start with 135 as a high rep warmup, then go to 185, then 225, then 245, then 275, then 285, then back down to 225, then 185.  After that, I do incline bench (225 X 4 sets, 10 reps) then I also do triceps the same day (since they're burning good after bench)  The reps get lower as the weight gets higher (thus the "3 reps of 285")


I usually maintain lift for 4 months, then go on a 2 month "Heavy lifting" program, then do my max, then rinse and repeat.


My best ever max was 325 when I was 40, on my 40th birthday.  Now that I'm 42, I'll be lucky to hit 315 on next Tuesday.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2002, 10:08:24 AM by Ripsnort »

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2002, 10:06:21 AM »
Ah, the gym

See I'd love to get toned up, Ive dropped a ton of weight working at UPS.  I've got a smidgen of a gut left, and that's it.  What can I bench?  Beats me.

Seems no matter what club I join, its occupied by incredible little models...yowwie  :)  That and there is always that one guy, glued to the mirror, flexing himself for hours on end while wearing 80's spandex....

I don't know what I like most about the gym....the workout, the scenery, or the entertainment.  I spend more time wonder if those are real or not  :D

My question....Nautilus equipment or free weights, which is better?

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2002, 10:08:15 AM »
How much does a fork weigh?

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2002, 10:09:24 AM »
I lift weights all the time... 12 Oz aluminum weights!

LePaul- Nautilus or any machine weights, free weights will cause more damage to your tendons and joints from stress you don't get with machine weights.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2002, 10:11:25 AM »
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My question....Nautilus equipment or free weights, which is better?


Depends what goals you set.  You want to bulk up?  Free weights.  You want to "Athletic build" or tone?  Alittle of both.

I use "Hammar Strength" (Used by 27 of 32 NFL teams) and free weights.  HS is nautilus with free weights manually added.

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2002, 10:14:40 AM »
One side note:

Machine bench lift is no where near an accurate measurement of true "free weight" maximum bench press.  I can bench 350 on a nautilus, but only 300-315 on free weights.

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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2002, 10:18:44 AM »
Incidently, a good start is this:

4 times a week weight lifting:

30 min. of "Major muscle groups" lifting each of the 4 days, with 15-30 min of cardio (running, bike, stairclimber, whatever)

Everyone has their own Routine, but change it up occasionally as to shock the muscles.

Currently, I do(but not including cardio):
Mon:
Chest, Triceps (This takes 1 hour)

Tues:
Legs, lower back, and stomach (1 hour)

Wed:
Biceps, Shoulders Upper back/Traps

Thurs: Off

Fri: Chest, Triceps

Then the following monday, I do what I did on the previous Tues.  So it works out more than once a week.


thats only 4 hours a week that you have to dedicate to excercise.  Why so little? Well, the toughest thing folks have to do when starting an excercise program is STAYING WITH IT.  If you dedicate the minimum required to stay fit, then you're forcing yourself to GO those 4 hours a week.  Once you get into habit (30-45 days of doing ANYTHING in your life becomes "Habit") then you can up your training time as you see fit, for whatever your goals are.

Personally, for 8 years now,  4 times a week, 1.5 hours each day. Works for my schedule.  (Oh, and I smoke cigars. ) :D
« Last Edit: July 23, 2002, 10:21:50 AM by Ripsnort »

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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2002, 10:25:54 AM »
That's very good advice, which I shall heed.

Every night at UPS, unloading trucks and running around, I'm literally soaking in my own sweat as this lasts for just over 2 hours.  I'm usually up early, so I ought to see about doing the 4 times a day thing you suggest at a local gym, starting slow and working my way up.

Hmm come to think of it, UPS will pay up to $250 towards a health club.  Guess I'll call around.

Thanks!

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2002, 10:31:40 AM »
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That's very good advice, which I shall heed.

Every night at UPS, unloading trucks and running around, I'm literally soaking in my own sweat as this lasts for just over 2 hours.  I'm usually up early, so I ought to see about doing the 4 times a day thing you suggest at a local gym, starting slow and working my way up.

Hmm come to think of it, UPS will pay up to $250 towards a health club.  Guess I'll call around.

Thanks!


We have 1 UPS guy, and 1 "Airborne" guy that both work out at the gym during their lunch breaks (They're drivers).  They eat a large breakfast, and dinner, and snack all day on healthy stuff (Apple, banana's,etc.)

Start off slow, light weight. Practice FORM rather than weight.  The worst thing a guy sees at the gym is someone who is trying to lift alotta weight and has lousy form!  "Form" will tone you up faster than alot of weight will, and as AKWulfie said, will damage cartilage in the long run (I'm living proof, as I've had one shoulder operation)

If you ever meet me in person, you won't think I'm "big" at all, because I lift for STRENGTH, not bulk.  They are two separate weight training programs altogether.

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2002, 11:56:08 AM »
Let me take a stab at this (spent 16 years powerlifting).

First, I divide my days into a four-day week, like Rip. However, I divide it into two pairs of push-pull days. On Mondays and Thursdays I do all pushing execrises- bench, incline, shoulders, and triceps. On Tuesdays and Fridays I do lat pulls, bicep curls, reverse curls, and dumbbells.

You start with the heaviest lift and work to the lightest lift, because as you move through the routine you will grow progressively weaker. In this way, you maximize the amount of stress you can place on each muscle group.

Sets are usually 5 sets of 5 straight through, with the exception of the lat pulls (done on a lat bar for me), which is done to the tune of 6 sets of 10, 3 wide grip, 3 narrow grip.

At first glance, this workout looks imbalanced to the Monday/Thursday side, but in truth it isn't. One of the hardest lessons I had to learn about physical training is that most people do not understand the rest/recovery cycle. It takes at least two days before any muscle group can be stressed again, and three is better (and the older you get, the more this time increases). More, free weights usually require the lifter to recruit ancilliary muscle groups for balance, assistance, etc. Push exercises also tend to be the real power exercise, and exert the most stress on the body. So... if the power routines are done on Mondays and Thursdays, the workouts done the next day need to be a bit lighter in stress, and therefore a few less exercises actually helps recovery. In addition, the mental aspect of having to be "up" for the workout is only really a factor on two days, helping to keep the appetite up to push. This leaves three days for cardiovascular work (if you're so inclined), and it all fits in a nice, neat, 30-minute cell (if you are efficient).

I used to believe I had to spend 2 hours a day in the gym, little realizing all I was doing was overtraining. I dropped lifting when I finally burned out, became a runner, and dropped from 210 to 155 (skeletal on my frame). When the heel spur forced a break, I went back to lifting. In my first life as a lifter I maxed bench at 345lbs. Upon my return, I have maxed 360, this on a quarter of the time and at age 40. I have now moved off the weights again for a while for a return to running, and will probably pop back-and-forth between the two in cycles.

Rip alluded to acclimation- this occurs in all sports after approximately 6-8 weeks. What happens is your body by this point has grown accustomed to the type of work you've been doing, so significant gains drop off. It's at this point you need to plan to shift emphasis, mix up the routine, or pick a new activity altogether. I've found this to be consistant in swimming, running, biking, lifting... basically everything I've ever done. Most serious athletes plan months into the future, including periodization into the plans.

As this dissertation is already way beyond what most people will read, I will stop. If you want to know more, ask, otherwise I yield the floor. :D

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2002, 12:02:45 PM »
Went to Adrian College.  Spent 7 million bucks on a new Fitness area.  Why would care.  Brand new Fu$%ing Hammer Machines.  GOD!!!!  

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2002, 12:08:26 PM »
LePaul-

Regarding Nautilus vs. Free Weights... I prefer the free weights. Nautilus is very good at what it does, that is, isolate particular muscle groups. This I believe has its best effect in rehabilitation applications, where a very specific area needs to be addressed. Nautilus is also good in that it keeps a uniform stress throughout the range of motion (through the use of chains and cams), whereas free weights can vary in some motions. What Nautilus fails miserably at is developing ancilliary muscle groups. Take the wrists and forearms. It is unlikely that anyone using free weights would ever have to include a dedicated wrist or forearm exercise, because every time you pick up a free weight, you are stressing that area. In Nautilus, this does not occur. When you sit down on a Nautilus machine, you are hitting exactly one muscle area, period.

On the issue of safety, no question Nautilus is better. You absolutely do not need spots on a Nautilus rig. Free weights are dangerous to the inexperienced lifter who lifts alone. Don't think for a second bad stuff won't happen, it will.

Cost? Free weights, hands down. I have a basic setup in my basement that cost me about $300. I can hit every major muscle group, and have all the weights I'll ever need. It takes up the space of an average bedroom. An average Nautilus unit that will exercise exactly one musle group will set you back on the average $2,000 or more.
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2002, 12:27:42 PM »
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A good measure of max bench is this:

1.5 times your body weight if your under 40 years old. (So I've been told by a personal trainer)

1.25 times your body weight if your over 40 years old.


 


Sheesh, if I could bench 1.25 times my body weight I'd set a world's record.

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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2002, 12:50:37 PM »
I thought you were in traction or something?