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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2002, 10:26:40 PM »
Is it fair for me to point out this is an opinion of an opinion, and while an entertaining read, holds no more merit than Coulter's book? Is it fair to point out your author does a fair amount of guessing about the sources of Coulter's remarks?

Kinda like translating Don McLean's "American Pie"... it seems so obvious, until he tells you you have it all wrong...

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2002, 10:29:24 PM »
It's absolutely fair to point out that it's an opinion of an opinion.

Is political meda attention anything but?
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2002, 11:28:10 PM »
sounded like the last point was catchin her in a flat out lie.

hows that opinion?

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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2002, 11:59:29 PM »
A quote from Roeper' editorial:

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2002, 01:51:26 AM »
Roeper:

"A kicked dog barks..............."

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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2002, 12:49:32 PM »
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Originally posted by Kieran
Is it fair for me to point out this is an opinion of an opinion, and while an entertaining read, holds no more merit than Coulter's book? Is it fair to point out your author does a fair amount of guessing about the sources of Coulter's remarks?

Kinda like translating Don McLean's "American Pie"... it seems so obvious, until he tells you you have it all wrong...


I read the article twice, and I still don't see the author "guessing" at a source. Each time he says the source "cited" by Coulter. Doesn't sound like a guess to me.

What about the Katie Couric quote?

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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2002, 02:33:43 PM »
every dog i ever kicked yelped.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2002, 02:56:56 PM »
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An ongoing theme of Slander is that liberals never want to talk issues--that it's all about name-calling and making emotional arguments.

Ahem. From Coulter's own book:

P. 26: "The [Ku Klux] Klan sees the world in terms of race and ethnicity. So do liberals!"

P. 157: "The good part of being a Democrat is that you can commit crimes, sell out your base, bomb foreigners, and rape women, and the Democratic faithful still think you're the greatest."

p. 123: "Everyone knows it's an insult to be called a liberal, widely understood to connote a dastardly individual."

p. 181: Katie Couric is "the affable Eva Braun of morning TV."

Good thing Coulter isn't like those liberals who resort to cheap generalizations and insanely inaccurate accusations.


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hey Hortlund! You reading this?

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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2002, 03:04:09 PM »
I think the fact that she used the word "dastardly" is reason enough for summary execution.  I mean who the hell uses the word "dastardly"?  What the hell is a dastard?  Is it a typo??  What the hell is she playing at anyway???  :confused:

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2002, 03:06:36 PM »
Hehe, and my favorite line of all:
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Coulter reminds me of the little girl in "Hey Arnold!" who shouts in Arnold's face that she hates him--though she secretly loves him.

Maybe that's how Ann feels about liberals. Maybe deep down, she's got a crush on us. It's kinda cute.


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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2002, 03:13:48 PM »
Excuse me

Many fine Republican gentlemen find Miss Coulter to be beautiful and sexy. Those fine boney chicken legs shows that the highly admired lady doesn't overeat. Her small chest size is petit and perky.

Please don't admosish this fine spokeswoman for the Republican party she's alot more pretty than that Janet Reno!

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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2002, 04:30:53 PM »
Man, I can't believe I have to ask but can you stop talking and start posting upside down naked brunette pics? Thanks.

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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2002, 06:30:45 PM »
Of course I can assume he is guessing. He doesn't quote page and paragraph, so I can safely assume he is only loosely attributing her remarks to remarks made by others. In other words, unless he crawled into her head, or is directly quoting her as saying she used this or that statement, then his remarks are just as much a guess as were hers.

Now I admittedly have not read her book, and she may indeed do this in the course of the text. I just haven't seen anything yet to suggest she has. And as you recall, many of you were quick to jump on the character assassination train when her comments were first posted as gospel by one of our frequent patrons. You rightfully pointed out the unsubstantiated aspects of her writing. Well, here I am pointing out your author's attacks that are in my mind very similar.

It would be like you saying something like "Hizookas" and then I would turn and say you were definitely making a reference to Mahn-duh-BO-lee's or Rrrrrrrrram's observations. You might or might not, but I couldn't know for sure, could I? ;)

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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2002, 06:46:45 PM »
http://www.dailyhowler.com/n070802.shtml

SOMETIMES YOU FEEL LIKE YOU’RE READING A NUT:

To his credit, Christopher Caldwell didn’t play nice in his review of Ann Coulter’s new Slander. “he has produced a piece of political hackwork,” he says, writing in Sunday’s Washington Post. “The deeper into her subject she gets, the more she resorts to the tools of calumny and propaganda she professes to critique.” Caldwell hails from the Weekly Standard, but he’s willing to play it straight about Coulter’s pathologically inaccurate book. How hard-hitting is Caldwell’s critique? He finally turns to the type of language a person must use to describe Coulter’s work. At one point in Slander, according to Caldwell, Coulter “enter the territory of those leftist nuts who say we’re living in a dictatorship because Noam Chomsky isn’t on the front page of the New York Times every single day”

No, he doesn’t quite say that Coulter’s a “nut”—but he comes admirably close. Indeed, there is no polite way to describe the nonsense found throughout Coulter’s book. Simply put, Coulter’s accounts of all matters, large and small, are almost pathologically bogus. Unfortunately, cable producers—always pleased to make a joke of our discourse—have no present plans to take notice.

Consider just one of the ludicrous moments in Slander. In Chapter 9, Coulter complains about the press corps’ use of the terms “Christian conservative” and “religious right.” According to Coulter, “[t]he point of the phrase ‘religious right’ or ‘Christian conservative’ is not to define but to belittle.” And lefties, of course, get a pass:

COULTER (page 166): Despite the constant threat of the “religious right” in America, there is evidently no such thing as the “atheist left.” In a typical year, the New York Times refers to either “Christian conservatives” or the “religious right” almost two hundred times. But in a Lexis/Nexis search of the entire New York Times archives, the phrases “atheist liberals” or “the atheist left” do not appear once. Only deviations from the left-wing norm merit labels.

In a footnote, Coulter extends her complaint. “In a one year period (roughly corresponding to calendar year 2000), the New York Times found occasion to mention either ‘Christian conservatives’ or the ‘religious right’ 187 times. Not once did the paper refer to ‘atheist liberals’ or ‘the atheist left.’” To Coulter, of course, this is all a sign of gruesome bias. She goes on to claim that the terms “religious right” and “Christian conservative” are now used “[j]ust as some people once spat out the term ‘Jew’ as an insult.”

It certainly makes for high excitement, but does it make any sense? Do newspapers use “Christian conservative” as an emblem of hatred, and avoid “atheist left” due to liberal bias? If so, we have big news to share. If Coulter’s NEXIS search has proven these things, then the once-conservative Washington Times is spilling with lib bias, too.

In the calendar year 2000, how often did the New York Times refer to “Christian conservatives” or the “religious right?” A NEXIS search of that year presents 182 references. But the Washington Times—a much slimmer paper—had 151 such cites that same year. And how about those other terms—“atheist liberals” or “the atheist left?” Incredibly, Coulter was right in one of her claims; the New York Times never used either term. But guess what? The Washington Times never used the terms, either. If Coulter has sniffed out a vast left-wing plot, Wes Pruden is in on it too.

Why do newspapers write about “Christian conservatives?” Because they exist, and because they’re important. And why don’t we read about the “atheist left?” Because the group doesn’t exist. That’s why the New York Times doesn’t mention the group; that’s why the Washington Times doesn’t mention it, either. Everyone in America knows this is true—until they read Coulter’s cracked book.

But then, such nonsense fills every page of this book. There is no other pundit—of the left, right or center—who engages in such pathological foolishness. Caldwell, a conservative, was prepared to say “Nut.” Why won’t Mickey Kaus say it also?

TOMORROW: Mickey Kaus spent ten seconds, tops, researching Katie Couric’s recent “catfight.”
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