Not everyone agrees with Ann Coulter

[Elfenwolf]

Did Ann Colter and Al Pacino ever date?

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Did Ann Colter and Al Pacino ever date?

Al:  "You want to go to war!?"

Ann:  "YES! YES!  Give it to me!  Invade!"

Al:  "Say hello to my little friend..."

[Hortlund]

Montezuma, I congratulate you on your ability to cut and paste. Next time perhaps we will get to see some original thoughts of your own too? Or is that too much to ask?

You also might want to check up on your sources in the future.

The Daily Howler, or "the unofficial arm of the Gore presidential campaign." Is a creation by "online watchdog" Bob Somerby. Somerby shared a dorm room at Harvard University with Al Gore and actor Tommy Lee Jones. He taught the fifth grade in Baltimore public schools for 13 years before becoming a stand-up comedian in 1981. He also began writing free-lance commentaries for the Baltimore Sun, occasionally in defense of his old Harvard roommate. Somerby launched the Daily Howler in early 1998 after the Sun rejected a commentary criticizing media coverage of President Clinton's political supporters staying overnight in the Lincoln Bedroom at the White House.

Now there's a pillar of unbiased truth!!

I'm not gonna go into every remark he made on Coulters book. That would take all week. Let me just point out that he argues in a way that is generally not thought of as correct. Very often he uses phrases like "The implication is clear", he then makes his own interpretation, and then he proceeds to argue against his own interpretation. Lets just say that that might work on a standup comedy scene, but generally, more is expected when you are attempting to make a serious point.

Did Couric call Reagan an “airhead”?
Decide for yourself. According to the stand up comedian, this (among other things) proves that Coulter is "a crackpot, a clown—and a balls-out dissembler" and that "her procedures are an insult to the American public interest."

"Good morning. The Gipper was an airhead! That’s one of the conclusions of a new biography of Ronald Reagan that’s drawing a tremendous amount of interest and attention today, Monday, September 27, 1999." (Couric, Introduction to show.)

 
The Today Show opens, three days in a row with the announcement, Ronald Reagan was an airhead, that's the conclusion of this new book by Edmond Morris.

When Edmond Morris came on for that interview he described that as a grossly unfair characterization of his point. It was a single quote from the beginning of the book and the entire course of the rest of his book was contradicting that. So when the author himself was interviewed about this, and he says that it was a grossly unfair characterization, whose characterization was it? It wasn't Edmond Morris.

On the Christian right:

Someone seems to be missing the point...

It's more than the religious right is misrepresented. It's the idea that it's this Orwellian totemic symbol for people to hate, I mean you try to figure out what the religious right is, it ultimately comes down either to one man, Pat Robertson, or anyone who believes in a higher being and wants his taxes cut. So you're either talking about half of America or one man, and still this is used is an example to frighten Americans. The religious right is presumed to be self-evidently fanatical, intolerant, and so much more. For example, that speech in which Couric blamed the dragging death of James Byrd on the intolerance created by evangelical Christians.

[midnight Target]

Steve, where u been?

We've already decided that Ann is a lieing sac-o-crap and it doesn't matter which stand-up comic does the honors of pointing that out.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Steve, where u been?

We've already decided that Ann is a lieing sac-o-crap and it doesn't matter which stand-up comic does the honors of pointing that out.

Ah, you know the old "boy meets girl, girl falls in love with boy, boy only wants to have sex, girl gets really pissed off when she realizes that, girl tells all her friends about evil boy, boy needs to move to another town if he ever wants to talk to a girl again"-story. (nah, just kidding, been on vacation)

Yes, I have been reading this thread most of the day (that is a BIG wall of text that montezuma dude posted).

And I regret to inform you all that not only is Ann Coulter telling the truth, she is also a rich gorgeous girl with fine teeth. While all of you liberal types are not only horribly wrong, your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberry.

so there...

[midnight Target]

Sounds like you had a good vacation .

And BTW, concentrate on the Roeper article. I'm pretty sure he isn't a stand up comic.

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Montezuma, I congratulate you on your ability to cut and paste. Next time perhaps we will get to see some original thoughts of your own too? Or is that too much to ask?

You also might want to check up on your sources in the future.

My 'original thoughts' on her were in a previous thread.  If you knew anything about America, you would realize that painting Katie Couric as some kind of left wing extremist is a joke.

It doesn't matter who wrote the article or that it was mean.  What matters is that the article clearly documents that Ann lied in her book.  I could obtain a copy of her book and easily demolish her bad reasearch with Lexis/Nexis, but why bother when others have already done so?

There are serious and intelligent conservative commentators in America, but she is not one of them.

[mietla]

Originally posted by Montezuma


If you knew anything about America, you would realize that painting Katie Couric as some kind of left wing extremist is a joke.
 

Oh, so Katie Couric  is now a main-stream, common sense, middle of the road objective view, huh?

Abolish the public education, or we'll become a nation of ignorant morons.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by mietla


Oh, so Katie Couric  is now a main-stream, common sense, middle of the road objective view, huh?

Abolish the public education, or we'll become a nation of ignorant morons.

No one said she was objective. Just that she is hardly left-wing.

And Coulter flat out LIED about her.

 

On p. 51 she (Coulter) writes, "[F]or the media to . . . call you an 'airhead' [Katie Couric on Ronald Reagan]--well, that makes strong men tremble and weak men liberals."

Except Couric never actually called Reagan an airhead. On p. 133 of her own book, Coulter writes that what Couric said was: "The Gipper was an airhead. That's one of the new conclusions of a new biography of Ronald Reagan that's drawing a tremendous amount of interest and fire today." (The book's author, Edmund Morris, had said his first impression was that Reagan was "an apparent airhead.")

So for Coulter to write that Couric was the one labeling Reagan an airhead, would be, let's see, what's the word? Oh yeah. A lie.

From the Roeper article.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by midnight Target


From the Roeper article.

Uh...did you actually READ my reply to that?

Couric said this:
"Good morning. The Gipper was an airhead! That’s one of the conclusions of a new biography of Ronald Reagan that’s drawing a tremendous amount of interest and attention today, Monday, September 27, 1999." (Couric, Introduction to show.)

Background facts:
The Today Show opens, three days in a row with the announcement, Ronald Reagan was an airhead, that's the conclusion of this new book by Edmond Morris.

When Edmond Morris came on for that interview he described that as a grossly unfair characterization of his point. It was a single quote from the beginning of the book and the entire course of the rest of his book was contradicting that. So when the author himself was interviewed about this, and he says that it was a grossly unfair characterization, whose characterization was it? It wasn't Edmond Morris.

Ann Coulters own words:
What I said was, which is true, that The Today Show opens, I believe it was three days in a row with the announcement, Ronald Reagan was an airhead, that's the conclusion of this new book by Edmond Morris, when Edmond Morris came on for that interview with you he described that as a grossly unfair characterization of his point.

The question:
Who is responsible for Couric's quote? I mean, she said the words, there is no question about that. Good morning. The Gipper was an airhead! That’s one of the conclusions of a new biography of Ronald Reagan that’s drawing a tremendous amount of interest and attention today The quote is plain wrong, it is a gross, unfair and incorrect statement. Ann Coulter points this out. Now the liberals are gunning for her...using weird weird arguments...  Couric didnt say those things (even though she did) because she was only making a (faulty) generalization about the contents of a book, and anyway, she is not to blame, because she only said it once, not three times... You guys are weird.  


Now, I dont know whether you liberal guys realize this or not but alot of you guys argue in a very predictable way. It goes something like this: Conservatives are either stupid or scarily weird and therefore you don't have to deal with their ideas, just set them aside. This is a crazy person, it's a Nazi, someone who wants to engage in racism, sexism, homophobia, so don't listen to that person's ideas, take a quote out of context and dismiss that idea.

I know I lose my temper from time to time with you guys. But damn you have earned it. It is so hopelessly frustrating to try to argue with someone that acts like most of you guys do.

For once try to break that pattern. Because right now the First Amendment has been effectively repealed for conservative speech by a censorious, accusatory mob. Truth cannot prevail because whole categories of thought are deemed thought crimes.

[midnight Target]

"Ann Coulter is a beautiful woman", Thats one of the statements made by Steve Hortlund!

Now tell me how it is that you can attribute that quote to me?

Nice try twisting the argument away from the facts again.

[Thrawn]

Yeah, but everyone seems to be forgetting that the Gipper WAS an airhead!!

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by midnight Target
"Ann Coulter is a beautiful woman", Thats one of the statements made by Steve Hortlund!

Now tell me how it is that you can attribute that quote to me?

Nice try twisting the argument away from the facts again.

Is this the answer I'm getting? Seriously? Where am I twisting any argument away from any fact?

Look at how you fall back into the liberal pattern again...
Conservatives are either stupid or scarily weird and therefore you don't have to deal with their ideas, just set them aside. This is a crazy person, it's a Nazi, someone who wants to engage in racism, sexism, homophobia, so don't listen to that person's ideas, take a quote out of context and dismiss that idea.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Hortlund

Is this the answer I'm getting? Seriously? Where am I twisting any argument away from any fact?

ROFL Thanks Steve  --->   see below for the answer to your question.....

Look at how you fall back into the liberal pattern again...
Conservatives are either stupid or scarily weird and therefore you don't have to deal with their ideas, just set them aside. This is a crazy person, it's a Nazi, someone who wants to engage in racism, sexism, homophobia, so don't listen to that person's ideas, take a quote out of context and dismiss that idea.

Now try really hard to tell us all that I called Ann C. a beautiful woman, because that is exactly what she did to Katie Couric. If you say I called her beautiful I can prove you are lieing, just as Coulter was lieing. It isn't too much of a logical stretch for you after your vacation now is it?

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Thrawn
Yeah, but everyone seems to be forgetting that the Gipper WAS an airhead!!

Ronald Regan was quoted as saying that the best thing about having Alzheimers was that he met so many new people every day. And c'mon Steve, we all know you think Ann's hot. Methinks Steve's wife is reading his posts over his shoulder... (wink wink)