Author Topic: My spit14 costs too much thread. (Read 1425 times)

AKIron · « **Reply #30 on:** July 25, 2002, 12:07:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Midnight
DUMP THE PERK ICONS!!!!

I agree, we pay the price in perk points, shouldn't be double jeopardy.

phishnut · « **Reply #31 on:** July 25, 2002, 12:08:11 PM »

It seems like the perk cost is penalty enough without having to be gangbanged or fly conservatively at every turn.

I'd rather pay more perks and take away the perk icon than the way it is now. Then, I might use them.

As it stands, I only use the f4u-1c since it lets me have an enjoyable fight.

Replicant · « **Reply #32 on:** July 25, 2002, 12:38:10 PM »

Okay, the Spit14 can climb well but imo that's about it. It takes ages to accelerate and even if you try to dive away from enemy a/c then you better have your prayer book ready!

Not worth 60 perkies.....

Pongo · « **Reply #33 on:** July 25, 2002, 01:01:42 PM »

No perk icons have to stay. Why increase the value of the spit further by making people worry that they are tangling with a spit XIV not a spit V?

phishnut · « **Reply #34 on:** July 25, 2002, 01:05:42 PM »

But, as the above k/d ratios indicate, many other free planes kill more effectively than the spitxiv, so obviously it's not alot of bang for the buck.

Vermillion · « **Reply #35 on:** July 25, 2002, 01:22:52 PM »

Sheesh, not again.

The Spit 14 K/D is low for two reasons that have nothing too do with its capabilities. One is the already discussed "accidental" launch for base defense factor. Two is what I'll call the

"spitdweeb" factor.

Bascially these are players who usually fly Spit V's and get just enough perks to finally try out a perk plane, and the first thing they do is jump into a Spit XIV (hey its a Spit so its gotta outturn everything, right?) and go out and try to fly it like a Spit V. So they go out, turn , turn , turn, and then promptly die. They just don't know how to fly the proper style to get the most out of the plane.

Put this plane into the hands of people that fly 109's, P-51's, Yak, and other similar types, and this plane is incredibly dangerous. So please don't try to convince us that it doesn't really deserve to be perked.

If you wanna fly a plane that out performs most others, then be ready to pay the piper. Both in perk points, and in perk tags. Get use to it, because I just don't think its gonna change.

akak · « **Reply #36 on:** July 25, 2002, 01:46:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Replicant
Okay, the Spit14 can climb well but imo that's about it. It takes ages to accelerate and even if you try to dive away from enemy a/c then you better have your prayer book ready!

Not worth 60 perkies.....

Spitfire XIV accelerates like a thoroughbreed with a bottle rocket up its ass, it just doesn't turn very well, a P-38L can out turn one.

P38L vs. Spit14

Ack-Ack
479th Fg - Riddle's Raiders

Midnight · « **Reply #37 on:** July 25, 2002, 02:13:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
No perk icons have to stay. Why increase the value of the spit further by making people worry that they are tangling with a spit XIV not a spit V?

Pongo, we do the same thing with 109s already. You don't know if it's a 109-E, 109-F4, 109-G2, 109-G6 or 109-G10 until you get up close enough to actually look at it.

Same with F4s

Same with P51s

Same with P47s

Same with Me-110s

Same with Hurricanes

Same with FW190s

Same with YAKs

There is NO reason to have a plane of the same model type shown as a perk.

I say make the SPIT14 icon just say SPIT

SirLoin · « **Reply #38 on:** July 25, 2002, 02:19:54 PM »

What Midnight said..

J_A_B · « **Reply #39 on:** July 25, 2002, 02:20:38 PM »

If you can't tell whether you're engaging a P-51B or D, then there's something seriously wrong with you. One is bright silver, the other is dull green--you can tell them apart even beyond ICON range. The P-51 is one of the few planes which does NOT gain an advantage from the ICON system (the P-47D-30 being another).

The others for the most part I'll agree with, especially the 109's and 190's and Spits. I wish the ICONS switched to subtype ICONS at short range (say 1000 yards) because I can't tell a 109G-10 from an F4 at any range. So I'm forced to treat every 109 I face as if it has the speed of a G-10 but the maneuverability of an F.

And before people start talking about how they're hard to tell apart in reality, I have to ask--how many Bf-109E's were flying front-line combat along side 109G-10's in 1945?

J_A_B

Nifty · « **Reply #40 on:** July 25, 2002, 02:24:50 PM »

Spit XIV is a monster. I disco'd in my only MA flight in it though. Drop the perk tag. The performance difference between it and the Spit V or Spit I is no different than the performance of a 109G-10 vs a 109E-4. no tag and 60 points is about right for the stigma of the Spit XIV. Flown right, this thing is phenomenal! Flown right, a free 109G-10 and 190D-9 are phenomenal too. Same for the P-51D. (point is the Spit XIV is prolly worth about 20pts max, but it's got 40 points extra just for being "SuperSpittie.")

Also, on the subject of icons. La7 and La5 should be the same. I wouldn't mind the F4F-4 and FM2 sharing the F4F tag (FM2 basically is a F4F-8 made by GM instead of Grumman.) c202 and c205 should share a tag. Me262 and Ar234 are the only perks that should have unique tags.

Nifty · « **Reply #41 on:** July 25, 2002, 02:27:38 PM »

Midnight, since when do we have more than one Ju88? all we got is Ju88A-4.

Pongo · « **Reply #42 on:** July 25, 2002, 03:10:53 PM »

The only plane sthat really benifits from that icon confusion are the 190D9 and A5.
I aggree that the D9 should have its own icon.
Giving the spits series more confusion than it allready has is silly.
Midnght, have your boys take up the spit xiv for a few sortis as a unit and let us know what your kill to death is in it.

RightF00T · « **Reply #43 on:** July 25, 2002, 03:18:41 PM »

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Originally posted by akak
Maybe the reason for the poor stats of the Spitfire Mk XIV is that maybe some that fly it aren't flying it properly. Seems like a lot of people assume that it's an angles fighter like the other Spitfires when it's not. Spitfire XIV is an E fighter all the way and would excel in that role when flown properly.

Ack-Ack

Thrila didnt fly it this way, I came in with atleast 2k alt adv. and he was forced to "turnfight" extinguishing his ability to climb/run away(I wouldnt take a Spit14 or even a Jug for that matter into that furball area at A9 on Uterus expecting to live-I died 10 mins later to a Spit and La7 duo

), but if anything I agree the SpitfireXIV is too expensive for the benefits you reap from flying it.

Replicant · « **Reply #44 on:** July 25, 2002, 03:46:32 PM »

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Originally posted by akak

Spitfire XIV accelerates like a thoroughbreed with a bottle rocket up its ass, it just doesn't turn very well, a P-38L can out turn one.

P38L vs. Spit14

Ack-Ack
479th Fg - Riddle's Raiders

Try diving in a Spit14 when someone is about to bounce you (esecially if you've just been on autoclimb!). I tell you that its acceleration is much slower than La7, La5, Yaks, N1K2s, 109s (perhaps except E4, F4), Tempest, 190s, etc. I dare say that it dives slower than a Spit9! Of course if you're already doing 320 plus then of course it'll accelerate well but between 160 - 280 it is extremely poor. The only other good thing I find is that it handles extremely well in a high speed dive, i.e. around 500mph.