Author Topic: Ta-152.. DB603 or Jumo213E? (Read 387 times)

Kweassa · « **on:** July 25, 2002, 12:01:42 AM »

Simple question. I've been hearing different things about a same plane.

Did the Ta-152 have the DB603 engine, or the Jumo213E? I remember hearing that the DB603s were originally planned to be used on the Fw190D, but production problems changed the plans and the Jumo213 was planted. The DB603s were instead, used on the Ta-152.

Now I ran across a source saying the Ta-152H used a improved Junkers engine, the Jumo213E.

Did the Ta-152H use DB603 or Jumo213E? Or, did the Ta-152C used the DB603 and Ta-152H use Jumo213E? Or, is it the other way around?

funkedup · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2002, 01:29:12 AM »

H = Jumo
C = DB

Kweassa · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2002, 07:44:15 AM »

Ah! Got it, funked, thx for answer!

Wotan · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2002, 09:03:07 AM »

if we only had the db

Kirin · « **Reply #4 on:** July 26, 2002, 04:24:49 AM »

Oh yes... Ta-152 C...!!! While we are at the letter "C" - bring the FW-190 C!!! Whooopeee...

Kweassa · « **Reply #5 on:** July 26, 2002, 05:55:16 AM »

would the DB603 be really that different???

HABICHT · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2002, 06:44:27 AM »

no..but a plane with
4x20mm and 3x30mm would be different :-)
ta152B destroyer

hab

Wotan · « **Reply #7 on:** July 26, 2002, 07:49:17 AM »

Speed Chart

requires java

HoHun · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2002, 08:38:19 AM »

Hi Wotan,

I think your chart is slightly inaccurate.

Here are the figures from a Focke-Wulf comparison dated 1.10.1944 (from Dietmar Hermann's "Focke-Wulf Ta 152"):

Fw 190D-9: 702 km/h @ 5.7 km (Jumo 213A)
Fw 190D-12: 738 km/h @ 11.6 km (Jumo 213E)
Ta 152C-0: 753 km/h @ 10,5 km (DB603L)
Ta 152H-0: 742 km/h @ 9,5 km (Jumo 213E)

The Focke-Wulf charts also show that with identical engines, there was little to choose performance-wise between the Fw 190D and the Ta 152.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Naudet · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2002, 06:41:51 AM »

Henning, Wotans chart uses the 1750 PS powersetting for the D9 speed and than 686 km/h is correct.

Btw i found a nice comparison chart of TA152 and FW190D9 in Griehl/Dressel "Focke Wulf 190/TA152", which shows that the low altitude performance of the D9 was much superior to both the the TA152C and H.
Only problem is the chart has no axis! So you can just see the relative differences but no absolute numbers.