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Offline Boroda

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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2002, 01:50:26 PM »
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Originally posted by Gunthr
The movie reveals the difficulties inherent in getting things done under communism, reflected in rushed, shoddy technology and shortages of trained specialists and supply problems and a lack of safety equitment on the sub. In the end, though, this movie is about dedication to duty and bravery.


Under communism?!

Once again. We had the life that was not much different from what it wa in the "West", some things worse, some things better. Generaly we had a society suitable for Orthodox (Eastern, or Bizantine Christian) nature. What we have now is really alien for Russian culture and tradition.

Duty is a thing that we are supposed to forget. At least it's what we get from the TV. My Father served in the Armed Forces for 44 years, 1943-1987. He says that he is proud that he served Russia, not the "party" or "communist idea". But in 1990, when someone asked him "why don't you stop your Party membership?" he said: "I'm in the party since 1950, while Gorbachov is since 1952. He has to quit first.".

My Grandfather by Mother's line was a dedicated Communist. I have read his notebooks... He was one of the first officers to work with jet mortars. Spent 8 months at the front, got a Red Star order in Sept, 1941.

Sorry, I'm drunk as hell...

Communism or "democracy" doesn't have anything to do with Duty and Honour.

That submariners at K-19 knew that they are doing the last thing in their lifes...

It was like a bayonet attack. Everyone knows that it's only one chance out of ten to survive.

Shit...

Another friend from Leningrad just called me on cellular and said he has no place to dwell... Caravan-saray goes on....

Please forgive me for posting here absolutely drunk...

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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2002, 02:03:25 PM »
lol Boroda,

I believe that Gunthr was refering to the material shortages under the command style economy of the Soviet system when he said "trouble getting things done under communism"


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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2002, 02:22:04 PM »
You are absolutely right, Sikboy. Thanks for clarifying that for me.
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2002, 02:54:51 PM »
Here's a site (in russian) many photos of russian submarines from wwi to present http://submarine.id.ru/gal.shtml

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« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2002, 01:57:16 PM »
I am sooo stupid when I'm drunk... Sorry :(

Anyway, even under communism, nuclear Underwater Fleet recieved all nessesary materials and supplies, at all costs. First nuclear subs were really a rersult of a great effort, compared only with space programm.

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« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2002, 04:15:44 PM »
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Soviet Echo I/II that lost a game of chicken against the US 6th fleet in the Med in the 70s. 10 - 12 killed by rocket fuel oxidizer fumes after collision


Wonder if this is the one you're talking about
 
K-22 collides with the American frigate USS Voge (FF 1047) 28 August 1976
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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2002, 08:54:54 AM »
Isn't that sub JULIETT much smaller than the actual K-19? I have visited it when it was on display in Helsinki for many years. It was really cramped.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2002, 08:58:22 AM by mora »