Author Topic: Quit Being Tards.. Use the CCIP (Read 436 times)

Midnight · « **on:** July 30, 2002, 04:41:27 PM »

So many bomber whining threads out there.... If you can't figure out how to bomb.. this is how to get good at it....

1. Go to the TA where the CCIP (Constantly Computed Impact Point) is available. The CCIP will show you almost exactly where your bombs will hit if you dropped them that very second. (Basically, the CCIP is what the pre-1.10 bomb sight was)

2. Make sure the CCIP is turned on (It's a green crosshair that will show up in the bombsight.

3. Fly your bomber straight and level, cruising speed stabilized, bomb doors open, etc.

4. Calibrate your bomb sight.

5. When you get done calibrating, the bombsight crosshairs should line up right on the CCIP. If it doesn't, you calibrated wrong. If it does, then you calibrated correctly.

*Note... this should be done on FLAT LEVEL ground. Hills and valleys will make the CCIP move backward and forward respectively.

6. Calibrate 10 times once you get it good. Try and see where your avaerge calibration gets you. Either a little ahead or a little behind the CCIP.

Some Suggestions---

I recommend that you mark a point on the ground that you are about to over-fly, rather than one which out on the horizon. The reason for that is, that you must move the bomb sight through much greater of an angle to track the marking point, rather than just a few degrees for a marking point that is far away.

Basically by increasing the angle you are measuring, the less your accuracy of measurement will effect the bomb drop.
- If I mark a point on the horizon, I may move the bombsight only 10 degrees in the 2 seconds I am marking my point. If I am off by 2 degrees, that is 20% effect on my drop accuracy. Ouch.

- If I mark a point that I am about to fly over, I may move the bombsight up to 100 degrees in the 2 seconds I am marking my point (I actually fly over my marking point during the time I press Y). Now, if I am off by 2 degrees, the effect on my drop accuracy is only 2%, a much more acceptable number.

palef · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2002, 04:49:28 PM »

FWIW this is supposed to be a fun game. I don't paid enough to work, let alone having to pay someone so I have to work at something that I didn't ask for.

I won't fly bombers with the new bombsight because it isn't fun.

Nice suggestion though Midnight, and if my mental attitude picks up I'll try it.

palef.

MrLars · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2002, 05:00:50 PM »

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Originally posted by palef
FWIW this is supposed to be a fun game. I don't paid enough to work, let alone having to pay someone so I have to work at something that I didn't ask for.

Getting good in a fighter is much tougher to do since the skills needed are abstract rather than mechanical. If you have fun flying fighters and do well in them it's because you've practiced at it for a while...same goes with the new buff's.

I don't fly them but it's because I don't like the type of action that comes flyin' them. I have practiced offline a bunch though with good success, skills like buffing come in handy in scenarios and should be learned if there's a chance you may have to pilot one.

Pongo · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2002, 05:21:40 PM »

can calibrate to exact ccip match offline from 10k no wind.
except that single bomber drops 3 bombs at once the bombs hit fine.

online from below the wind layer my bombs drop short or far by 100s of feet. they didnt in 1.10.

something is up.

Innominate · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2002, 05:32:57 PM »

Five bomber hours, and 27% accuracy?

If you're going to squeak about "bomber whiners" at least have some actual practice in them.

Few who practice bombing have trouble with the bombsight, Calibration is tricky for about 10minutes. The problem is that jabos do more damage quicker than any bomber.

bf110G-2 fully loaded with 50kg bombs, 500kg bombs, combined with it's cannons, carrys about 9800lbs worth of damage potential.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2002, 06:37:36 PM »

I'll try it midnight, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to stop being a tard!

eskimo

tshred · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2002, 06:47:15 PM »

A couple things that help bombing accuracy:

1. Squadmate told me that if you turn for a 2cd or 3rd pass do it from the ball turret and use your rudders. This maintains alt within a few feet and keeps you from having to re-calibrate after every pass and also helps insure you don't shake your formation loose.

2. I find that if I calibrate as Midnight stated and make sure you are directly over your calibration spot accuracy is good. When you start marking your target behind or ahead of you throws your accuracy way off. I took me 3 days to figure that out. The first day of patch 2 my bombs were right on target. The next 2 days I tried it they were off, and when I finally got them back on target I realized I was marking the targets directly below when they started hitting on target again.

I actually never enjoyed bombing before this new system with formations and having to calibrate.

Your results may vary, oh and don't forget about the wind layer at 14k!

ts

Soviet · « **Reply #7 on:** July 31, 2002, 01:15:59 AM »

I don't get the squeaking, IRL it was actually even harder to bomb.

don't aim for a particular target, go for a field of objects and try to knock down a few. I have been doing some level bombing and my hit percentage with only 10hours this tour is 179%. It's VERY easy just read kwesas (sorry for the spelling) excellent tutorial in the help forum.

It's unrealistic to a gay level to be able to lazer guide everything on the base like pre1.10 bases. Keep it this way or drop buffs alltogether.

AstroBoy · « **Reply #8 on:** July 31, 2002, 01:36:19 AM »

In WW2 when allied bombers did there big carpet bombing Raids, Pin point Acurracy (from what I have heard) was not acheived every Mission.
I allways thought that was what the crew at HTC were aiming for by introducing this new bombing system, to make it feel closer to the real thing in a sense.
as You say though Practise is the only way to getting better results.

Cyas

Voss · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2002, 03:31:48 AM »

Hey, I don't have a problem with the bombing the way it is. Hitting stuff is easy enough if you go at it right. It just seems it's too easy to eliminate the threat of buffs and we're seeing less of the high alt stuff.

Shiva · « **Reply #10 on:** July 31, 2002, 07:29:53 AM »

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Getting good in a fighter is much tougher to do since the skills needed are abstract rather than mechanical. If you have fun flying fighters and do well in them it's because you've practiced at it for a while...same goes with the new buff's.

I think it's a reflection of society, MrLars... The people who complain about how hard calibrating the bombsight are, but will happily spend 200 hours mastering a slashback counter in a fighter are the same people who grew up on the fast-twitch gratification-now "back-back-A-up-B-down-right" mega combo move video games. Bombing and bombsight calibration are all about planning and setup and doing each step in order carefully and deliberately -- the people who built plastic models while everyone else was down at the video arcade. There's a fundamental difference in philosophy between them, and you're never going to convince them that if spending fifty or a hundred hours learning to use the bombsight is boring drudgery, so is spending fifty or a hundred hours learning a dogfight technique.

Midnight · « **Reply #11 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:04:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Innominate
Five bomber hours, and 27% accuracy?

If you're going to squeak about "bomber whiners" at least have some actual practice in them.

Few who practice bombing have trouble with the bombsight, Calibration is tricky for about 10minutes. The problem is that jabos do more damage quicker than any bomber.

bf110G-2 fully loaded with 50kg bombs, 500kg bombs, combined with it's cannons, carrys about 9800lbs worth of damage potential.

I fly fighters (P-51) at least 85% of the time. THat doesn't mean what I have stated is not accurate.

27% accuracy is good for the way I drop bombs. I choose 250lb bombs and drop large salvos. I suppose if I wanted to, I could get more picky about it, but like I said, I fly fighters. Bombers are just a diversion for me.

Wotan · « **Reply #12 on:** July 31, 2002, 08:19:02 AM »

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and you're never going to convince them that if spending fifty or a hundred hours learning to use the bombsight is boring drudgery, so is spending fifty or a hundred hours learning a dogfight technique.

Theres not much convincing to do. Have ya read all the bomber threads? Whats the theme? Who are they started by?

Bomber pilots who feel "unappreciated" and have come to the conclusion that "bombing in Aces High is completely pointless".

I can give ya a ton of quotes if youy need them.

If you like any type of plane, vehicle or what ever have fun enjoy and yourself. Thats what games are about.

But please dont set bomber pilots apart as if its some ZEN science to flying them.

I also wouldnt say "learning to fly a fighter" is hard it may take more patience especially when it involves a lot of getting shot down over and over. Theres no scripted move against a predictable foe. It does a take a bit more to become a true expert flying fighters then an expert at blowing up hangers. Theres a ton of guys out there they will eat me (or most anyone) up in a fighter no matter how much we "practice". However gimme a few hours in bomber and I'll have it mastered.

myelo · « **Reply #13 on:** July 31, 2002, 10:41:00 AM »

The new bombing method is just that --- new. So some people are frustrated that it takes a while to learn.

When the game itself was pretty new, few people knew how to bomb with fighters. You would join a jabo mission and were lucky if half the people hit anything. Same when carriers came out. (It took AV8OR about 6 hours one night to teach me how to land on those things.) Now dive-bombing and carrier landings seem easy.

It just takes time to learn any skill. If that’s work to you, then OK -- you’re not going to like it. To me it’s fun.

Pongo · « **Reply #14 on:** July 31, 2002, 11:21:38 AM »

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Originally posted by myelo

It just takes time to learn any skill. If that’s work to you, then OK -- you’re not going to like it. To me it’s fun.

yawn
it took me 2 flights to learn the skill in 1.10, now in 10 flights I cant hit anything in 1.11
They "fixed" bombing for a bunch of people and broke it for some of us.