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« on: July 31, 2002, 01:47:39 PM »
First off, I wasn't sure if this belongs in the O'club and so my aplogies now if anyone thinks this does not belong here.  

I had to take my 280ZX to the dealer today for some minor repair work and put my name on the list on the shuttle for the drive home.  My name was called and I got in the van with an older gentleman who would be the driver.  He apologized ahead of time for the upcoming "testing" of the brakes and then told me it's an old habbit from his airline days.  "Oh yeah?  What airline?"  "TWA" was his answer.  Then my question that started quite the conversation with this gentleman, "Did you fly military before that?"  He answered with "Yes, P-38s in World War 2."  Oh man, I always think I have so many questions I'd ask of a World War 2 vet and when I have one cornered I'm dumbfounded.  Luckily he could talk all on his own with just the shortest bit of prodding.  He flew in the Pacific and I think he said he flew the old E models but most of his P-38 talk was about later models.  He went into detail about the guns.  Every 5th round was a tracer and also a HE round and he said the Japanese planes would just light up.  I mentioned I'd heard some people talk about the cutting of one engine to increase turn but he replied that is wouldn't be very smart because you want to keep up the speed.  I hate Spits in Aces High and asked him a question about P38 vs Spit.  He did say that the later P-38 with the boosted controls he could "make box turns" and could out turn a Spitfire.  But he also said the earlier 38s you would'nt want to turn with even the 109s/190s because of it's "big fuselage."  He told me that several WW2 pilots get together every Wednesday at a Denny's near me here in Oceanside (San Diego) CA.  He rattled off a bunch of plane-types the represent the group and I believe he said the highest living Mustang ace shows up along with F4U and other pilots and one guy a POW of a Japanese prison camp.  And he said he knows some guy named Gunther Rhal (sp?) who he's met and talked with several times and who is coming to visit this "Denny's Club" in Sept.  This gentleman, my driver, invited me to their morning meetings and to meet Gunthar in Sept.  And yeah, like the dork I am, I mentioned to him about the Aces High game I play and he was intrigued a little it seems.  I told him search the words Aces High online.  We actually sat in the mini-van out front of my home talking about WW2 aircraft and the pilots he knows.  He told one funny little story how Gunthar R. when pressed about the P-38 stated that the Germans let their novices go after the P-38s in combat.  ;-)   Anyway, the conversation was a whole lot more than I can type in here and really, my mind was still trying to catch up with it all.  I'm not a talkative guy and would be very out of place, but I think I will take him up on his offer and visit this Wednesday morning group.  This gentleman's name is Bob Waggoner and he's Membership Chairman of the P-38 National Association.

That was the last thing I was expecting out of my morning.  Was way cool!

(I re-read that and that's terrible writing.  Sorry.  I corrected a few typos and words left out.)
« Last Edit: July 31, 2002, 01:59:43 PM by Puke »

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2002, 01:52:00 PM »
Gunther Rall is dead I believe.
-SW

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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2002, 02:02:28 PM »
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Gunther Rall is dead I believe.
-SW


..so maybe he was talking about someone else? :rolleyes:

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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2002, 02:04:58 PM »
In the company of heroes.  I am jealous.

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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2002, 02:06:21 PM »
You sure SW?  if he is, he died recently..


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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2002, 02:06:33 PM »
oh, and you are a lucky guy puke. Make sure you go to that meeting, every day we lose a couple of veterans, and there is nothing like talking to someone who was there. Books or films cant tell you as much as someone who was there. I have talked to a couple of ww2 vets (infantry types) and I always ask stupid questions like "what did Caen smell like" or "what did you guys do when you were not in combat" etc (I'm interested in the personal feeling you only get when you are there, the stuff you dont get to read in books).

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2002, 02:13:40 PM »
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. Put down that gun before you shoot yourself Hortlund.

I think he died in '97 or '98 Skurj. EDIT: maybe not, apparently he gave a lecture at NASS. Could of sworn I read about him dying recently. Here he is June 5, 99 signing books: http://www.jg54greenhearts.com/rallsign.htm Guess it was a different German ace that died recently.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2002, 02:26:15 PM »
I'm pretty sure Gunther Rall is still alive. Maaaaan, Puke, Rall is one of the top scorer of LW: 275 victories!!!!

On a side note, Puke on behalf of our whole squad, HOW CAN YOU DARE TO POST THIS STORY HERE FIRST AND NOT ON OUR FORUM :mad:. It'll cost you a whole year latrine duty ;) .

To be honest, I still have to recount my encounter in 2001 with Raymond 'Cheval' Lallemand (*), Sqdn Leader of 609 Squdn RAF and Typhoon ace :cool: ....so I'll probably help you with the latrines during the 1st month.

Maan Puke I realize I'm drooling on my KBoard.... I expect a complete retranscription of your next discussion!

 (*) Cheval knows Rall pretty well too....as he knows Clostermann and was a friend of JEJ.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2002, 02:30:49 PM »
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"what did Caen smell like"


I can answer but I'll have to kill you after :)

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2002, 02:38:00 PM »
deSelys, sorry.  I hope I don't lose my wings.  I did think about posting on our Squad BBS but had to quickly get some work stuff done and I know I can reach many more people on the AH BBS.  Plus I know a few dogs are in route to the convention.  

To be honest, I'm no historian and am not a real talkative guy and have no clue what I'd do at one of these breakfast meetings.  I will go though.  One thing I'd like them to know is that there is a world of people who respect these pilots and what they were able to do.  Maybe they'd get a kick out of photos from the Aces High convention?  He said there are a couple rules like no cel phones and stuff like that so that it's just a good time and maybe my first meeting I'll just show up and bring a camera on a follow-up visit.  I keep wondering just what am I gonna have to say?  Hopefully they are fine with me just sitting there quietly listening to them all.

Bob Waggoner gave me his business card.  I won't give out his e-mail, but he's chairman of this site:
p38assn.org

Ohh, found his picture on the site.  Yep, that's him +/- a few years.  ;)

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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2002, 03:03:04 PM »
Cool story!

I've been to enough aviation meetings with combat pilots to know that when someone asks me if I'm a pilot, the way to back out of it and still be a man is to answer "Not yet, but I do a lot of work with flight simulators to hone my instrument skills."

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2002, 03:17:51 PM »
Puke!!!!! Damnit!!!! This is happening in San Diego and I didn't get an invite?!?!

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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2002, 03:50:24 PM »
Had a conversation with a WW2 B17 navigator once. Was really quite in awe of the stories and the guy himself. A quiet John Wayne type. Just doing what they had to do he said.
  What might help with any meeting with the pilots is that we in the Aces community could propose questions for these well respected veterans. Just a thought.
  Also, a comment. It would be good to let those guys know that there are a lot of younger generation people out there who know and appreciate what those guys and gals did for our country and the world. What they did, is certainly not forgotten.
  So, a few possible questions:

1. What did they think of the opposition pilots flying skills?
2. What opposition aircraft did they have the most trouble with?
3. Have any of them met any of their opposition counterparts?
4. The most fun flying experience in WW2?
5. The worst flying experience in WW2. (This one might be a bit touchy. It's probably more of an indirect question. They probably want to forget these more than anything else.)
6. Any examples of dark humor or humor in general between pilots and maintenance crews.

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2002, 04:01:47 PM »
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Puke!!!!! Damnit!!!! This is happening in San Diego and I didn't get an invite?!?!

Avid


I'd be willing to drive up to O'Slime from Chulajuana just to hear these guys tell some tales.


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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2002, 04:50:21 PM »
Thumbs up. This is very cool and a once in a lifetime opportunity. A special request. Could you could please remember as much detail as you can when you go to this meeting and write it up in a new post for us to read. That would be most appreciated. I wouldnt think of asking you to do anything that I would not also do in return if I had that chance. I once ran into a group of (2 Lufftwaffers and 1 RAFer) WWII pilots at a plastic model convention/expo but could not get to them because of the big crowd of ACE hores surrounding them.

Thank you in advance,

:)