Planes i would like for 1.04

[juzz]

The Mk XIV and Mk 21 have different engines. The Mk 21 obviously has a higher full throttle height(FTH) in the medium supercharged(MS) gear.

Btw: I believe this plane is on the list of possible perk planes...?

P-51H

Engine: One Packard Merlin V-1650-9 warp drive rated at 1380hp for takeoff and war emergency power of 2218hp at 10200ft and 1900hp at 20000ft with water injection.
Maximum speed: 444mph at 5000ft, 463mph at 15000ft, 487mph at 25000ft.
Climb: 5000ft in 1.5 min. 15000ft in 5 min.
Service ceiling:  41600ft.
Weights: 6585lbs empty, 9500lbs loaded.
Wing span: 37ft, Wing area: 235sq ft.

Oh, and: The P-51K differed from the P-51D in having an 11-foot diameter Aeroproducts propeller in place of the 11 feet 2 inch diameter Hamilton Standard unit. These were all known as NA-111 by the company. The P-51K had a slightly inferior performance to that of the P-51D.

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[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Juzz's numbers look correct to me.

Only thing that will outrun a Fw190D-9 using MW-50 on the deck is a Tempest.

Nashwan or RAM (I don't remember which) have been saying that the Spitfire MkXIV could do 400 on the deck.  That is a number I have never come across.  I have many, many reference books sitting right above me, and the speed that the Spitfire MkXIV is listed at on the dect is always 363mph.
The Spitfire MkXIV tops out at 448mph at 26,000ft.
The Spit XIV will also accelerate very well, climb fast and turn fast.  She won't roll or dive particularly well, especially rolling at high speeds.
Frankly, the Luftwaffe here probably has more to fear from a Tempest MkV being introduced than from a Spitfire MkXIV as most of the fighting in AH is below 20,000ft.  In addition the Tempest has 4 20mm Hispano MkV cannon as opposed to the Spit's 2 20mm Hispano MkII cannon and 4 .303 Brownings or 2 20mm Hispano MkII cannon and 2 .5 Brownings.

Sisu
-Karnak

I posted the 400 number. The book said it was with 150 octane fuel at 2000 ft.(that sounds like the deck to me but I realize it isnt.)
BTW you would need to do the same things(except the 150 fuel) to get the top speed we get out of our spit v.

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by Zigrat:
anyways, im figuring the spit XIv would be like the g10- climbs like a rocket and is fast as hell, but is hard to control. If this is the case, i think its perfectly fair, as i definitely prefer less speed and climb for better handling   (see my g6 stats and my g10 stats haha who says latewar planes are better)

Zig
I have just come accross a quote in Wings of Fame that supports your opinion on this point. It describes the XIV as having signifigantly worse handling then the IX.
Obviosly that opinion weighed heavily with the designers of the WB spit XIV..whoever they were.
I can type in the quote tonight if anywhone would like to see it.
mmmm
A spit with personality, HP, and a bubble canopy.....does it get any better?

[Nath-BDP]

Well sorry, the first bubble canopy Spits were introduced in early 45.

[Pongo]

So? No 45 planes then?

[racerx]

Ki61 (with MG151/20 or Ho-5 20mm cannon model)
Ki43

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[Nashwan]

I have seen that all Spit Fr XIVs  had the bubble canopy, and the F versions had traditional razorback. I don't know if that's true, but if it is Spit FR XIVs were in service in June 44 at the latest.

[ra]

There's way too much talk of late war planes, let's get some early war putt-putt planes like the I-16 and Curtiss Hawk.  Of course we'll need a separate arena where they can fly without being Dora meat.

<<P-51K would be nice to round out the series
>>

FYI the P-51K was just a P-51D with a propeller from a different manufacturer.  Maybe you're thinking of the P-51H, which had a Merlin on steriods producing 2200 hp, top speed was around 480 mph.  It never saw combat.

[Nath-BDP]

   

In the majority of cases where an aircraft was shot down in fighter-versus-
fighter combat, the victim never saw his assailant before it was too late to
take effective evasive action. Most such attacks were mounted from the
fighter's blind zone, below and behind, and many a pilot gained ace sta-
tus by exploiting this weakness. Obviously, therefore, if the Spitfire could
be modified to reduce the chances of a successful surprise attack by the
enemy, its probability of survival in action would be correspondingly
enhanced.
The answer was to cut back the rear fuselage behind the cockpit, and fit the fighter with a bubble canopy. A Spitfire Mk VIII modified in this way flew for the first time in mid-1943. The manufacturer's trials showed the change brought no significant deterioration in the aircaft's handling characteristics, and itwent to the Air Fighting Development Unit at Duxford to allow experienced service pilots to fly it. The latter were hugely
impressed with the increase in view to the rear and below brought about by the bubble canopy, and their report noted:

This is an enormous improvement over the standard Spitfire rear view. The pilot can see quite easily round to his fin and past it, almost to the further edge of the tailplane; ie, ifhe looks over his left shoulder he can practically see to the starboard tip of the tail. By banking the aircraft slightly during weaving action, the downward view to the rear is opened
up well.'

Production Spitfire Mk IXs, XIVs and XV Is fitted with bubble canopies began reaching operational squadrons in early in 1945, and they immediately became popular with pilots.

***from "Late Marque Spitfire Aces" ISBN 1-85532-575-6***

Btw, the FR.Mk XIV was a recon variant.


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[Karnak]

Nath, the FR.XIV is a recon vesion armed with a camera, 2 20mm Hispano cannons and 2 .5 inch Brownings.  FR satands for Fighter-Reconisance.  The PR prefix means it is an unarmed recon Spitfire.  My information isn't specific, but seems to indicate that the bubble hooded Spitfire FR.XIV first entered sevice in June of '44.

Thanks for posting the quote, could you tell us what it is from?

Sisu
-Karnak

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[Nath-BDP]

jeez, look under the quote...

[Karnak]

Oops.  I was blind.  

Sorry.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Wanker]

"Work work work, work work work...Hello Boys, I missed you!"

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[Cobra]

Screw that!, I work for Mel Brooks!

[214thCavalier]

It seems that apart from RAM nearly every other post in here would welcome the addition of the spit XIV, so lets have it but with one proviso    
Make it the clipped wing version !!!  
Lol that should fan the flames    

Seriously tho saw one in action at the Duxford Flying Legends airshow a few weeks ago and it absolutely stole the display section, nothing else came close.
This reporter at dogfighter thought so too.  http://www.dogfighter.com/

How could you not want this plane, its even got the bubble canopy    
 http://www.dogfighter.com/images/reviews/airshows/duxford/flyinglegends2000/SpitXIV  clip.jpg

Delete this from URL SpitXIVclip.jpg
 and you can browse all the piccys they got from Duxford, i am sure many of you would find something of interest.


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