Planes i would like for 1.04

[Zigrat]

Well heres the planes and vehicles i think we need  

Vehicles
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T-34 (panzer v panzer getting old)

Airplanes
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Late model Stuka with 37mm option(krauts need a tank buster)
Il-2 (so does the VVS)
Tempest(so do the Brits, the tiffie is kinda, well, ...  )

Give the 190 a F option similar to the new p47-d25 (should just be a paint job and adding wing racks to a a8, remove cowl guns, minimal changes-- easy)

Add some of the cool LW a2a and a2g weapons (all those funky rockets etcera)

Give the Ami's the hellcat (round out the pac planeset a bit for hellcat+corsair v zeke and nik fights)

Give the LW the dora, and the brits the spit XIV

Give the LW a ju-88.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Zigrat:
Give the LW the dora, and the brits the spit XIV

And change the name of the game to "spitfires High"  

For the last time...Spit XIV IS TOO GOOD for the Main Arena! if you want to fly in an arena that only flies spitfires then just dont perk it...

[Ripsnort]

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[HABICHT]

cancel Ju88 a-4, IT'S A MIDDLE '41 BOMBER!!!
and, hell of all engine probs, BRING IN THE
He177.
..but i know, it's too late. again LW gets
an early, scenario only use, plane.
(like F4 and G6).

THINK for the future, think of He177's attacking allied (that's the reson?) ships
with the FRITZ gliding bomb!

HT crew is doing a fine job, but sometimes i
think they do decissions too fast.
(same would be for me110 instead of 410)

long time ahead, HT said, that he like's to
see NEW, never modelled planes in AH.

HABICHT
XO JG54"Gruenherz"

[Zigrat]

i wouldn't say the g6 is a scenario only plane   I just started flying it 2 days ago and am doing well in it .. check out my stats   But ok the ju-88 wouldnt be the best bomber, but then again I do not know too much about LW bombers so i am not the best person to advise on which one would be best. That arado jet bomber i read about would be coooool as a perk plane tho  

[Cobra]

I think RAM has a Spit XIV alert on his computer, so that at anytime, anywhere in the world a Spit XIV is mentioned it violently alerts RAM...(probably has the Hispano sound effects)  

In all seriousness, I like Zig's list.  

But more to the point, if a plane is available to someone in the Main Arena, but not available to me or others, than I think that is a bad thing.  No matter how well planned the perk system, the simple fact remains that my $29.95 is as good as everyone else's (even if my pilot skills are not) and should allow me to fly the planeset that is available to anyone else as well.  This applies to the MA only.  

Obviously an arena based on an HA or WB's new WWII arena is different.

Cobra

[Zigrat]

cobra rofol that was funny   I can just picture it.

[Zigrat]

anyways, im figuring the spit XIv would be like the g10- climbs like a rocket and is fast as hell, but is hard to control. If this is the case, i think its perfectly fair, as i definitely prefer less speed and climb for better handling   (see my g6 stats and my g10 stats haha who says latewar planes are better)

[JimBear]

 

Originally posted by RAM:


For the last time...Spit XIV IS TOO GOOD for the Main Arena! if you want to fly in an arena that only flies spitfires then just dont perk it...

Where'd you get a Spit XIV to fly in here? :::dang musta missed another patch::  

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Zigrat:
but is hard to control. If this is the case

I thought it too until I read that RAF document of the test of SpitXIV against Fw190 , Me109 and SpitIX. It is clearly stated that Spitfire XIV has as nice handling as a Spitfire IX has.

I wont fall in the temptation to answer the "funny" answers, just go and reat this thread:
 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum9/HTML/000635.html

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by Zigrat:
anyways, im figuring the spit XIv would be like the g10- climbs like a rocket and is fast as hell, but is hard to control. If this is the case, i think its perfectly fair, as i definitely prefer less speed and climb for better handling   (see my g6 stats and my g10 stats haha who says latewar planes are better)

But all the write ups that I have seen indicate a spit IX that out climbs a G10 and out runs a P-51..Handling, dive and fire power identical to a Spit IX. No vices.
I aggree with you if your assumptions are correct, I dissagree if my reading is correct.

[Zigrat]

OK you guys obviously know more history about the airplanes then I do.

I have been figuring all along:

109f4, spit V fair match
109g2, spitIX fair match
109g10, well has no british match

so i was figuring its fair to addin the XIV, i mean the g10 is like 50 MPH faster than the spit and climbs like a rocket. A careful g10 driver will never get killed by a IX driver.

The problem with the g10 is that the engine started getting to big for the airfram. While it had great climb and acceleration, was tricky to control due to torque and high wing loading.

Why doesn't the spit XIV have the same problem? It too is a early 1930s airframe crammed with a mid 40s engine. It seems like it too should be similar to the 109g10 as all the previous versions were, the spit will climb slower,be slower, but be somewhat better in turning.

I know that flying the g10 and the g6 are completely different things. The g10 trying to ride on a cheetah as compared to a horse as the g6. The cheetah may be faster, but as a squeak to keep under control. If the spitfire performs the same way, i say let it in. If it doesn't perform the same way, well why not? Give me the reasons why it doesnt.

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by HABICHT:
cancel Ju88 a-4, IT'S A MIDDLE '41 BOMBER!!!
and, hell of all engine probs, BRING IN THE
He177.
..but i know, it's too late. again LW gets
an early, scenario only use, plane.
(like F4 and G6).

THINK for the future, think of He177's attacking allied (that's the reson?) ships
with the FRITZ gliding bomb!

HT crew is doing a fine job, but sometimes i
think they do decissions too fast.
(same would be for me110 instead of 410)

long time ahead, HT said, that he like's to
see NEW, never modelled planes in AH.

HABICHT
XO JG54"Gruenherz"

They are already doing Ju-88 A-4

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Zigrat:
anyways, im figuring the spit XIv would be like the g10- climbs like a rocket and is fast as hell, but is hard to control. If this is the case, i think its perfectly fair, as i definitely prefer less speed and climb for better handling   (see my g6 stats and my g10 stats haha who says latewar planes are better)

That thing would probably also turn all the planes and then you would have again skies full of spitfries like they used to be.

[Pongo]

 

Originally posted by Zigrat:
OK you guys obviously know more history about the airplanes then I do.

I have been figuring all along:

109f4, spit V fair match
109g2, spitIX fair match
109g10, well has no british match

so i was figuring its fair to addin the XIV, i mean the g10 is like 50 MPH faster than the spit and climbs like a rocket. A careful g10 driver will never get killed by a IX driver.

The problem with the g10 is that the engine started getting to big for the airfram. While it had great climb and acceleration, was tricky to control due to torque and high wing loading.

Why doesn't the spit XIV have the same problem? It too is a early 1930s airframe crammed with a mid 40s engine. It seems like it too should be similar to the 109g10 as all the previous versions were, the spit will climb slower,be slower, but be somewhat better in turning.

I know that flying the g10 and the g6 are completely different things. The g10 trying to ride on a cheetah as compared to a horse as the g6. The cheetah may be faster, but as a squeak to keep under control. If the spitfire performs the same way, i say let it in. If it doesn't perform the same way, well why not? Give me the reasons why it doesnt.

Your reasoning makes sence. But accouts of the Spit XIVs performance do not carry it out. The Griffon engine was quite a bit different then the Merlin, much more differenc then a db605a and a db605d where. But the brits took 2.5 years to bring the Griffon spit to full production. The Spit VII has a griffon and maybe it has the handleing problems...I dont know but flight evaluations of the Spit XIV indicate a Late Spit IX with 35 more mph and tones more climb. On the deck it could go 400 mph with 150 octane fuel.

I guess wb just dummied it up so they could have it without forcing most other planes out of the arena. I think that is the worst solution. It is a lovely plane and I hope they can bring it in. But if its like I read it will be, I know what I will be flying.