Author Topic: Make buffs easier to kill PLEEEAAASSSEEE!!! (Read 526 times)

SKurj · « **on:** September 27, 2001, 10:03:00 AM »

SKurj

Twist · « **Reply #1 on:** September 27, 2001, 01:31:00 PM »

...wuz just thinkin'...even if I did have trouble killin buffs I wouldn't admit it here, learn the cones of fire and plan your attack. Killin' buffs is as easy as kilin a Char, you just have to know where to hit one.

Tac · « **Reply #2 on:** September 27, 2001, 01:58:00 PM »

*grin*

Tone down the turbolaser. I would GLADLY have the buff eat 3 or 4X the damage they can take now. If the amazing firepower the bombers have is to help them survive on their own because people dont fly them in the formations they flew in RL...

Then why is the answer more firepower instead of more toughness? put 3 b17s together, they are almost impossible to be attacked by a fighter (unless you count kamikaze 30mm planes).

the buff thing is the second thing in AH that really screws the game for me (1st being the 38's porkness..which hopefully will be fixed... i hope..i hope..)

hazed- · « **Reply #3 on:** September 27, 2001, 02:56:00 PM »

Tac i dont kamakazi LW iron!

i would with those f4ucs though

once again sorry for shooting you and rob53 down whilst testing the f4uc again

hehe im not really THAT sorry!

Fester' · « **Reply #4 on:** September 27, 2001, 03:11:00 PM »

buffs are so easy to kill.

too easy... look at how they fair in scenarios.

even in the ma they are easy kills

vs buffs ive come up with so many easy kills:

b-17g: 41/0
b-26b: 21/1
ar234: 2/0
c-47 : 27/0
il2. : 26/0
ju88 : 13/0
lanc : 30/2 (because I flew up their 6 i died twice)
tbm3 : 11/0

buffs are so easy to kill its sick.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 27, 2001, 03:31:00 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by Tac:
*grin*

Tone down the turbolaser. I would GLADLY have the buff eat 3 or 4X the damage they can take now. If the amazing firepower the bombers have is to help them survive on their own because people dont fly them in the formations they flew in RL...

Then why is the answer more firepower instead of more toughness? put 3 b17s together, they are almost impossible to be attacked by a fighter (unless you count kamikaze 30mm planes).

the buff thing is the second thing in AH that really screws the game for me (1st being the 38's porkness..which hopefully will be fixed... i hope..i hope..)

TAC:
Turbolasers are a myth.
Please read my post:
"The 50 cal. Buff Gun Laser Myth, Part 2: Ballistics and Energy"

Also, fighters flew in formations as well. Almost always at least in pairs, generally in relatively large numbers.
How can you expect all bombers to group up when their numbers are already significantly less than that of fighters, and fighters in AH generally do not fly in formations?
If you can't take down bombers in AH, then why don't YOU get a wingman?

eskimo

SKurj · « **Reply #6 on:** September 27, 2001, 03:32:00 PM »

Adds to stringer, leaves bait on hook and drops back in the water

SKurj

eskimo2 · « **Reply #7 on:** September 27, 2001, 03:35:00 PM »

To further Fester's point:
From Tour 19, The overall K/D of each bomber:

Ar 234 - 0.2793
B-17G - 0.7138
B-26B - 0.6268
Il-2 - 0.5882
Ju 88 - 0.2500
Lancaster III - 0.3958
TBM-3 - 0.1814

Tac · « **Reply #8 on:** September 27, 2001, 04:47:00 PM »

"If you can't take down bombers in AH, then why don't YOU get a wingman"

Why dont buffs GET a wingman or 2 of their own too? That was THEIR only means of defense IRL. Buffs have received a gameplay concession that does not fit imo. Give them more hit points or something, not more firepower.

I HO things in my 38's 4 .50's (AND 1 20mm cannon!) and have to land a toejamload of hits before I get a kill. I fire my nose turret in b17 vs a fighter when IT ho's me and it dies in a snap.

Say whatever u want, what I experience does not match at ALL. BTW, I always try to attack buffs from hi angles at hi speeds. I really dont know why buff guns hit so exponentially hard when compared to a fighter's .50's. Convergence? shotgun effect? all guns firing at same spot? Fighter damage model screwed up? Hell if I know, I just know it happens.

Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** September 27, 2001, 06:46:00 PM »

Tac,

Have you ever flown Buffs in formantion in AH? Have you seen what happens to that formation when you have to man the guns?

The formation disappears and you rapidly end up with a bunch of Buffs that can't support each other.

Without either a true Otto manning the guns or a formation command the formation concept will not work in AH.

jpeg · « **Reply #10 on:** September 27, 2001, 06:51:00 PM »

Easier?!?!?

Make them harder to kill... or add auto guns at least, and ability to accept multiple gunners

Fester' · « **Reply #11 on:** September 27, 2001, 07:01:00 PM »

im for autoformation for buffs

im against otto

Tac · « **Reply #12 on:** September 27, 2001, 07:19:00 PM »

Yes I have Karnak. The formation breaks up because the players either use the rudders while in turrets OR they did not line up or match speeds with his buddies first. I have also seen players up AND stay in formations... it is very exciting to see buffs in groups FOR A CHANGE. The annoying part is each one has turbolaser effect, making the formation *quite* invulnerable. And get them at 28k or higher, untouchable.

Karnak · « **Reply #13 on:** September 27, 2001, 07:31:00 PM »

Tac,

Hmm.

I remember trying it. I lined up as best I could and did not use rudder (didn't even know that you could at that time) and the formation drifted apart pretty quick. The other bombers didn't pitch or yaw either, so I don't think that they were using rudder either.

MadBirdCZ · « **Reply #14 on:** September 27, 2001, 08:45:00 PM »

Buffs are so EZ to kill already... why make them even more soft??