Author Topic: I was killed in my Panzer(blown up) by a burst of 50 cal fire!, The GV armor model is (Read 898 times)

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #30 on:** August 07, 2002, 04:15:45 PM »

I was fighting ammo the other night, lvt2 vs m8.

His cannon rounds kept just bouncing off my armour untill I got tired of the noise and killed the m8 with the .50 in a couple seconds.

Blank · « **Reply #31 on:** August 07, 2002, 04:40:26 PM »

you thinkthats bad I once killed a PNZ with one burst from a 109 f-4 , And I typed to the guy WTF? how did I do that?

What I think this must be is this:

The plane/boat/tank explodes once your pilot is dead , so the explanation is simple.

If you attack the PNZ from a high angle and if you aim just right you can get your bullets into the open hatch (if they've forgotten to shut it) the bullets bounce around inside a bit, killing all the crew, then the tank explodes.

Toad · « **Reply #32 on:** August 07, 2002, 04:40:29 PM »

Back from Holiday I see. Hope you had a wonderful, relaxing time.

Love your new sig!

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #33 on:** August 07, 2002, 05:33:32 PM »

Toad if you're talking to me, I never reactivated my account..

So I'm still on vacation from AH, I'll spend more time with my 1.5year old son now.

brady · « **Reply #34 on:** August 07, 2002, 05:52:54 PM »

Strafing to you and your buddy may two entirely diferent things.

When I strafe a target my aim is to put 1 to 2 seconds of solid hit sprites on him, all Hit's. So I would say to those of you "straafing " a tank or osty and geting no effect you may either be missing him, not hiting the turret or not geting enough hits.

BaD kaRmA 158Th, The allies did extensive field research into what killed tanks on the batifields in WW 2 in Europe. No tank's were killed from 50 cal fire, in fact I beleave only a couple were killed from 20mm fire if that many. The general consencious was that Allied JAbos were not overly effective aganst tanks at all. All this be we see on the History chanel about Alled Jabos wasting the German armored hord is just that.

Toad:

"No. I'm saying it seems to me that you think all the things that bother you should bother everyone and should be fixed right away. "

Toad I endevor to be as objective in my squeaking as possable, and the GV armor issue has been around since the inception of AH, I have been complaing it abot it with greater frequency lately because I am genualy geting tierd of it. Of course I do not think people should all feal the same way about certain issues as I do I am a realist to a point. Why for instance should P 38 piolets care that a German Bf 110 droping the same bombload cant kill a hange like they can? Not everyone has the same view points concerns or wories. I do try and be neutral in any argument that I put forth.

"The things that bother other people shouldn't bother anyone and aren't nearly as important and really don't need to be fixed because those things don't bother you much."

huh? where are you reading all this into what I have been saying. Am I bothering you personaly Toad, because your coments are devating from the genral point of this thread and seam to me to becoming personal.

"Selective indignation" perhaps? I'm not sure how I would characterize it.

See above

It's sort of an offshoot of "selective reality" isn't it?

Same

"I could say that allowing a fighter to dive at 2-3X it's normal "downhill" speed is fun and doesn't really hurt anyone since everyone could do it. But I don't think you'd go along with that..... but tanks at 2-5 X their normal speed.. it's fun!"

Toad man come on your reaching

"Spawn points? Hey, isn't REALITY the Holy Grail? Who would want to cheat a tanker out of making a 3 day long road march to attack an enemy facility? Not me! But I don't think you'd go along with that, right?"

Hey man all this thread was about was how porked the GV armor model is spawning tanks farther fom a base and giving drive times longer than flight times to it personaly seam a little unbalenced to me.

Toad · « **Reply #35 on:** August 07, 2002, 06:16:40 PM »

It's not personal with me.

Personally, if it was MY game, I wouldn't have put any GV's in the game. None.

It is, after all, an air combat game/simulation.

There is nothing any GV can do that can't be done by things that were already in the game. Troops = C47, Shelling Structures = Jabo work, Osty Air Defense = more/harder ack emplacements.

But it's not my game and if GV's are fun for folks that like them that's fine with me. I lose no sleep over players in tanks. "Fly what you like, like what you fly."

OTOH, you have only spoken for what you think needs fixing in the GV department.

I agree that the Damage Model needs work, particularly for GV's where the crew is exposed to fire from above. (Panzer turret MG for example).

I also would like to see the 100+ mph bug fixed and I see no reason for spawn points.

I can't spawn my FM2 at 10k near the fight.. why should you jump to the nearest base and get right into the action?

And re-appear instantly if I take you out with a bomb or two? I can't instantly appear overhead if your Osty shoots me down while attempting to divebomb you. ("You" in the generic form, not the personal "you").

It's "just not FAIR".

I'm saying two things, neither of them personal:

1. I think they'll get around to tweaking the GV Damage Model. I don't think it's a real high priority right now, given the other things already coming down the pipe and soaking up their time.

2. While dealing with the DM issues, I'd like to see them fix a few other things about GV's. Spawn points, Incredible Speed, Crew Vulnerability, etc.

In short, I agree with most of what you've said but I don't think you go far enough. I'm thinking you're pretty selective with what you want modeled in accordance with RL.

brady · « **Reply #36 on:** August 07, 2002, 07:14:59 PM »

Toad I also agree their are other aspects of GV modeleing that nead looking into, I was just trying to keep this issue foucused, in an atempt to right at least one wrong with the GV'c the armor modeling issue.

I except the bad and the good that may come from that.

I like GV's obviously, since I spend as much time in them generaly as I do fighter or bombers.

The spawn isuue is a game play isue of course how else can they get into the game, same for planes spawning continusly on the runway, things along these lines will always be present.Heck now you dont even half to look for GV's spawning you have a Big Yellow Arow pointing right to them, now thats realistic:)

Trease killing tanks is also very realistic, rocks doing the same thing, very war like conditions, the only thing thses obsticals did was make it harder for GV's to fight their way to a base.

Toad I am a history nut, and I have been at my hobby since I was a kid as I am shure many who frequent this board are, seing things modeled incorectly Is going to cause me to say hey wtf no mater what they are tank, plane ,ship...ect and I have done this on various issues in the past and I will in the future.

Toad · « **Reply #37 on:** August 07, 2002, 08:12:23 PM »

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Originally posted by brady
seing things modeled incorectly Is going to cause me to say hey wtf no mater what they are tank, plane ,ship...

No problem with that here.

Just realize that when you are selective in what you find "modeled incorectly" others are going to point out things that you are deliberately or inadvertently overlooking. It's not personal at all. It's game related interest.

In this example you have chosen to overlook a few things that are a "gameplay" not "realism" issue to you, ie: the 100+ mile an hour tank, while pointing out the GV Damage Model has problems.

I merely highlighted the omission.

Fix one, might as well fix all.

Viper17 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 08, 2002, 01:07:47 AM »

Maby in some strange reason the Dm for the Panzer and Otsy got Reversed along the way?

brady · « **Reply #39 on:** August 08, 2002, 02:09:16 AM »

Personaly I feal the osty turet is taken out quiet easly, in fact I am generaly a little suprised when low flying planes t/o my turet on strafing runs that should be suriviable. I lose my turet all the time in the osty from one run by a 50 cal plane, if you are having problems doing this you may be missing the turet, not hiting it enough, or the osty is being resuplied.

Furball · « **Reply #40 on:** August 08, 2002, 06:51:25 AM »

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Originally posted by BaD kaRmA 158Th

I dunno i think all GV's are god.

Hail M8, God of war

brady · « **Reply #41 on:** August 08, 2002, 07:30:30 PM »

Ever wounder why the M8 can't kill a M3 or a M16 with AP?

Mathman · « **Reply #42 on:** August 08, 2002, 08:05:37 PM »

You know, there is one thing about this game that some people seem to overlook quite frequently concerning ground vehicles. The last time I checked, this game was called "Aces High" not "Ground Vehicles Low."

As has been pointed out numerous times, this game is about air combat. GV's were put in for 2 reasons. One, some of the planes in the game really have no purpose if there are no tanks or armor to kill. Two, they are there in case you get bored with planes.

Wotan · « **Reply #43 on:** August 08, 2002, 10:20:54 PM »

with this type of gv model though those planes designed to kill vehicles are mostly useless if you can up any 50 cal plane and plink getting kills as easy if not easier then those attack planes

as for the other point about being bored gvs are no cure for boredom long rides and quick deaths

brady · « **Reply #44 on:** August 09, 2002, 01:01:16 AM »

Well math, I think maybe anything worth doing is worth doing well, and GV's do have a big following, so why not throw them a bone...