Brief thoughts on Sadam

[rogwar]

Fellers I believe our intelligence services have information supporting that this would be a really good idea to topple Sadam and Iraq. Noteworthy facts have likely been presented to the executive and legislative branches of government.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Hortlund

It is however worth it. Saddam will sooner or later attack the US with weapons of mass destruction. He must be removed. If the region destabilizes for a couple of years, it is not too bad. Might lead to war in the region, but I doubt it. More likely there will be increased pressure on Israel, so the US would have to put in extra support there.

I rather doubt it. Attacking the U.S. directly would be incredibly foolish. Hussein is smart enough to have remained in power this long and he's smart enough to know that. As long as he plays the "victim" card, he'll have support from other Arab nations and Europe.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by rogwar
Fellers I believe our intelligence services have information supporting that this would be a really good idea to topple Sadam and Iraq. Noteworthy facts have likely been presented to the executive and legislative branches of government.

Fellers I  do not believe your intelligence services have information supporting that this would be a really good idea to topple Sadam and Iraq. It is unlikely that noteworthy facts have been presented to the executive and legislative branches of government.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM


I rather doubt it. Attacking the U.S. directly would be incredibly foolish. Hussein is smart enough to have remained in power this long and he's smart enough to know that. As long as he plays the "victim" card, he'll have support from other Arab nations and Europe.

Well, as I have been trying to point out in the last 10 posts or so, the attack would not be connected to Iraq. You wont see an Iraqi embassy truck driving around in NYC spraying anthrax in the air. Neither will you see an Iraqi Mig-29 try to penetrate the US air defences and drop a nuke on Washington DC.

What you will see is more terrorist attacks. Terrorists that are armed and funded by Iraq, but not in the Taliban way. Take a look at my two examples I posted earlier in this thread. Where is the trail leading back to iraq in those two scenarios?

You can doubt it, but you better not stick your head in the sand like so many others.

[DJ111]

wsnpr :  what Hortland said.


its easier than you think...

[wsnpr]

I doubt Iraq will have a role in it. Hussein knows to what extent we're willing to go against Iraq. All we need is one excuse and Hussein will be no more. He won't risk it. I doubt he was behind the 9-11 attacks (financially). The US will choose it's enemy and make sure some 'evidence' from supposedly 'reliable' sources turns up. Careful of what you read and believe.
In that 'easier' scenario given previously, where are they getting the addresses from the phone book? Incomplete at best. No zip codes which means personal handeling by post office employees. What would be the return addresses? Most junk mail gets tossed in the garbage by most people that I know of. LOL, quit being so paranoid. It won't be by Iraq, and it won't be by that method.
I fear fellow US citizens of my safety (drunk drivers, random insane people carrying firearms, etc) over any foreign 'enemy' of the US.
Regards,
wSNPR (the one who starts vacation from work today- WoooHooo!)

[midnight Target]

No crime of that magnitude would be untracable.

1. 10,000+ people contract some form of anthrax in widespread locations across the country. Obvious attack.
2. Must be a well funded operation with the ability to create a great deal of weapons grade anthrax.
3. Must be a nation-state. Who else would have the ability?
4. Process of elimination leaves Iraq, maybe N. Korea, Libya?, ...who else?
5. 10,000 envelopes without leaving one trace clue... I doubt it.
6. Iraq is turned into a glass landing strip.

[Masherbrum]

7.  As a result of No. 6, the U.S. coastline grows a bit.

Don't EVER think for a minute that it is IMPOSSIBLE.  He is just like Hitler, stupid and in power.  

Masher

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by midnight Target
No crime of that magnitude would be untracable.

1. 10,000+ people contract some form of anthrax in widespread locations across the country. Obvious attack.
2. Must be a well funded operation with the ability to create a great deal of weapons grade anthrax.
3. Must be a nation-state. Who else would have the ability?
4. Process of elimination leaves Iraq, maybe N. Korea, Libya?, ...who else?
5. 10,000 envelopes without leaving one trace clue... I doubt it.
6. Iraq is turned into a glass landing strip.

2. Not neccesarily. Alternative would be "with the ability to aquire (steal or buy) less than one kilo of weapons grade anthrax"

3. Al Queida?

4. Russia (Chechens, radical nationalists), US lunatics (Michigan Militia, or that black million men march guy whatever his name is), someone with an agenda (Serbs wanting revenge, Palestinians wanting to take the fight to the US, you name it.

5. Well, where would the trace come from? The anthrax was put inside the envelopes in a weapons lab in Iraq, that wont give any trace or clue. The envelopes were shipped inside plastic bags...no trace there. The sleeper cell wrote the adresses, but the bio suits are gone in that fire together with the pens, the plastic bags etc etc. Then the sleeper cell blew themselves up. Even if you could get a positive ID, what would turn up? A couple of guys from saudi and one from egypt...where do you get the leads?

6. Why Iraq?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by wsnpr
I doubt Iraq will have a role in it. Hussein knows to what extent we're willing to go against Iraq. All we need is one excuse and Hussein will be no more. He won't risk it. I doubt he was behind the 9-11 attacks (financially). The US will choose it's enemy and make sure some 'evidence' from supposedly 'reliable' sources turns up. Careful of what you read and believe.
In that 'easier' scenario given previously, where are they getting the addresses from the phone book? Incomplete at best. No zip codes which means personal handeling by post office employees. What would be the return addresses? Most junk mail gets tossed in the garbage by most people that I know of. LOL, quit being so paranoid. It won't be by Iraq, and it won't be by that method.
I fear fellow US citizens of my safety (drunk drivers, random insane people carrying firearms, etc) over any foreign 'enemy' of the US.
Regards,
wSNPR (the one who starts vacation from work today- WoooHooo!)

This is rich. Now suddenly we are assuming that people competent enough to hijack 4 airliners roughly at the same time, pilot these airlines, and crash them into assigned targets, an operation that took years to plan and execute are incapable of obtaining zip codes to adresses found in a phone book, or they are incapable of writing return adresses?

Stop underestimating the enemy.

The only reason Al Queida was able to pull 9-11 off was because no one expected that a terrorist organization would be able to do an attack like that = underestimation.

There will never be another 9-11 simply because no one in a hijacked airplane will just sit down and wait to be released. From that day, every airplane passenger knows that if the plane is hijacked, there is a risk that the hijackers might want to crash the plane into some target = people are not underestimating the enemy.

What you are doing is dangerous. Sticking your head in the sand like that makes you part of the problem.

[wsnpr]

Originally posted by Hortlund


This is rich. Now suddenly we are assuming that people competent enough to hijack 4 airliners roughly at the same time, pilot these airlines, and crash them into assigned targets, an operation that took years to plan and execute are incapable of obtaining zip codes to adresses found in a phone book, or they are incapable of writing return adresses?

Stop underestimating the enemy.

The only reason Al Queida was able to pull 9-11 off was because no one expected that a terrorist organization would be able to do an attack like that = underestimation.

There will never be another 9-11 simply because no one in a hijacked airplane will just sit down and wait to be released. From that day, every airplane passenger knows that if the plane is hijacked, there is a risk that the hijackers might want to crash the plane into some target = people are not underestimating the enemy.

What you are doing is dangerous. Sticking your head in the sand like that makes you part of the problem.

LOL, you really are a comedian. Stop making me laugh. Are you really this paranoid? The post office and our intelligence agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA, etc) are well aware of the problem of anthrax being delivered via the mail. They have sniffing devices in place that can detect anthrax.
The danger is people like you that fall hook, line, and sinker for the latest 'terrorist' state spoon fed via the media. Iraq is not high on my worry' list. It is you that is sticking your head in the sand of fear. Quit creating enemies. That's the dangerous part.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by wsnpr
LOL, you really are a comedian. Stop making me laugh. Are you really this paranoid? The post office and our intelligence agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA, etc) are well aware of the problem of anthrax being delivered via the mail. They have sniffing devices in place that can detect anthrax.
The danger is people like you that fall hook, line, and sinker for the latest 'terrorist' state spoon fed via the media. Iraq is not high on my worry' list. It is you that is sticking your head in the sand of fear. Quit creating enemies. That's the dangerous part.

You find this funny? First you ask me how Iraq could possibly get enough anthrax into the US and spread it. When I tell you one possible scenario, Im paranoid? Exactly what kind of answer were you looking for? "They would send large packages of anthrax mailed from Baghdad with the words "DIE Americans" scribbled all over them"?

They have sniffing devices in place that can detect anthrax? Is that what you are telling yourself every morning when you open your mail? Do you have any idea how much those machines cost? Or how long it takes to make a test? (4 hours)  Do you have any idea how many such machines there are in operation right now? ZERO . As of right now, the US post office radiates all mail going to Congress and White House..something that has caused serious health issues for the mailmen.  see link

Can those machines detect smallpox? Nope. Have you any idea exactly how dangerous smallpox is? Or botulism?

And you need to learn who does what and where in the US intelligence community.

[midnight Target]

We'll put Columbo on the case.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by midnight Target
We'll put Columbo on the case.

Maybe we can send Jim Rockford with him. Those two would look pretty fly in the Trans-Am

-Sikboy

[rogwar]

Originally posted by Thrawn


Fellers I  do not believe your intelligence services have information supporting that this would be a really good idea to topple Sadam and Iraq. It is unlikely that noteworthy facts have been presented to the executive and legislative branches of government.

Plus, I forgot to mention it would be really cool to watch on TV again. This Taliban/Al Queda thing is pretty much a mop up operation now, hunting down the rogues that still exist. Most Americans would like to see some real action again, because there was not enough satisfaction garnered from bombing goat herders in Afghanistan.

In Iraq there are a lot more juicy targets. We might also be able to directly gain control of some of the world's oil supply. Let's go!