Author Topic: 50cal vs osty (50 cal vs armor BS part 2) (Read 1174 times)

brady · « **on:** August 07, 2002, 03:44:54 AM »

While parked on the shore(near it at anyrate) I engaged an LVT who had just spawned, he was at least 1000 yards away whithen a few hits, just a few my gun was out, this I think is BS because the 50 cal could not pentrate the sides of my osty turet armor! No suprise hear the armor model is porked.

Now I turn and head for base to land my kills. thinking no way can he disable me I am so far away...Wrong I lose a track withen a couple seconds...grrrr.

So Is this some kinda of gameplay conshion? Are we foreaver forced to live with a Fantistac Aircraft model and a piss pore GV model?

What if the 7mm on the Val could kill B17's in one pass ? people would Balk at that one why not this 50 cal vs GV thing why do we have to put up with this?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2002, 05:19:10 AM »

The "single" 50cal is a wonderweapon on GVs, I'm always amazed how a single 50cal on an M3 can saw the tail off an Il2 or Fw190.

eddiek · « **Reply #2 on:** August 07, 2002, 10:14:01 AM »

Pintel gun on the Panzer is pretty damn effective too, guys.

I have had wings and tails taken off from this seemingly "puny" weapon many many times.
As for the "armor" on the Osty turret, I thought someone posted specs somewhere once that showed it to be well within the penetration capabilities of the the 50 caliber MG? Not think armor at all, more like thin sheet metal?
And I am not disagreeing with brady's original topic......yes the GV damage model IMO is screwy.
We see large caliber rounds hit the front armor plate of a PNZR and riccochet off......why not the mg rounds too?

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2002, 12:01:49 PM »

Ostie, shmostie. Give me 2 50 cals on the back of my Suburban and I will destroy your Ostie anytime!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/020807/168/1zvg1.html&e=14&ncid=996

brady · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2002, 05:58:17 PM »

Osty turet armor was 25mm thick.

I beleave that a 50cal round could not penatrate this at range.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2002, 06:58:05 PM »

It was 23mm IIRC and pretty well sloped, should be immune to 50cal fire from nearly all ranges.

brady · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2002, 07:01:57 PM »

Enclyopedia of German Tanks of WW2 gives 25mm.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2002, 07:25:21 PM »

Close nuff.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2002, 07:32:20 PM »

Actually the turret armor for ostwind is only 16mm.

The 23/25mm bothered me for some reason so I looked into it a bit more.

http://www.missing-lynx.com/panzerace.htm

5- Armor thickness of the plates on the sides of an “Ostwind” turret was?

Answer: 16 mm

Score: 32% answered this question correctly.

This misinformation stems from data listed in the original Heeres Waffenamt Technishe Daten Blatt G318I as Turm 25 mm (rundum) for the Flakpanzer IV, 3,7 cm (and was copied from this source onto page 111 of the Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War II). 25 mm is correct for the flat sides of a “Moebelwagen” superstructure (starting with No.46) but not for the turret of the Ostwind.

The correct data was found on an original turret drawing and original documents on mounting this same turret on a Pz.Kpfw.III chassis. The correct information was first published in Panzer Tracts No.12 in February 1998.

brady · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2002, 07:55:17 PM »

So based on this New data of 16mm given the slope what would the efective thickness be, given a shot at it was struck from 90 degreas.

wulfie · « **Reply #10 on:** August 08, 2002, 02:09:27 AM »

90 impact angle (i.e. 90 degree angle formed by armor plate and impact trajectory of round) equivalent thickness = x1.

45 impact angle equivalent thickness = ~x2.

This is why sloping is so important. Your armor can be thinner and deflect bigger AP rounds with good sloping.

However, againts big HE rounds it's better to have plain old thick armor plate sometimes.

Mike/wulfie

plumbob · « **Reply #11 on:** August 08, 2002, 03:08:45 AM »

20mm AP rounds could penitrate 20mm of armour at 100m at 90 degrees. .50 is about 12.5mm so theres no chance of it penitrating.

brady · « **Reply #12 on:** August 08, 2002, 04:48:03 AM »

Which Ap rounds from what guns and fired at what distance's?

TY wulfie:)

Samm · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2002, 10:03:07 AM »

I've seen 37mm ap rounds fired from m8 ricochet off of the osty turret . A lot of times when I get killed in a gv there is no noise, no hits, no gun fire, just damage sound . It's often times hard to tell who is hitting you and with what .

brady · « **Reply #14 on:** August 08, 2002, 07:28:31 PM »

The M8, can kill, or disable an osty/panzer at close range from the side or rear, it howeaver seams to have no effect on the M3/M16 unless you use the 50cal MG on top.