50cal vs osty (50 cal vs armor BS part 2)

[majic]

At 1000 yards, could the .50cal fire have been arcing into the open top of the turret?

[brady]

Please.........

[majic]

Please what?

[brady]

50cal bullets drop very little they have a very flat trajectory at that range ( it was 1k away so thats 1 thousand feet not yards btw sry:) ), and the LVT was in the water lower than me firing to my turet.

[juzz]

brady check out the .50in penetration chart hitech posted - at 330 yards the chart .50 could penetrate the ostwinds 16mm turret armour(37 degree slope according to actungpanzer.com), if hits were at an angle of around 25 degrees or less. Ie: if the LVT was shooting up at the ostwind at an angle of 12 degrees or more(37 degrees obviously being the best as it nullifies the turrets slope altogether).

[brady]

The LVT was a lot farther away than that at leat 1k out.

[eddiek]

brady, clarify please..........
When you say "he was 1K out" I automatically think in terms of AH measurements.......1K=1000 yards, not 1000 feet.
If he was within 1000 feet, heck yeah your Osty armor got ventilated.
If he was 1000 yards off, something is off, I agree.  The .50 cal would have to have been arcing to get into the top of the turret at that range, and I agree with ya that the trajectory is too flat for that to happen in AH.
But don't post all these problems about your Osty dying without looking at problems with the Osty's killing ability itself.
I looked at a website last week that showed the Osty 37mm should NOT penetrate a PNZR armor, yet it is okay if it does in AH?
Be consistent in your criticism, not just pro-Ostwind.  If a PNZR's 75mm AP shell is gonna bounce off the front armor, what makes it alright for the Ostwind's ammo to penetrate that same armor?  
And yes, I have seen it and done it.  Just last night I got into a fight with an Osty, range was 400 yards, I slammed two shells into his nose and had no effect.  He opened up on my nose and I was dead.  That sound right to you?

[brady]

I appoligise for the confushion, it was late when I posted this and after reading it over I can see how it could be missleading( if not just stupid). I am not on the beach but still on the green, the LVT spawns in the water, I fire that is the range, their are no Icons so it is hard to be shure of the range, but he was out their, my center dot almost covered him compleatly, I can only estamate the range at 1 tousand yards not feet as I posted above.

     I fear I may have damaged my cause with this stupid eror of mine, I hope all is not lost....

[brady]

Just shoting from the hip ( not having looked at pentration figures for the osty 37mm) I find it's tank killing abaility's a bit suprising I assumed that it had a composit ammo load out whear some of the available ammo was AP and If nead be they Just slaped an AP clip in and went for it, howeaver hear agin I am speculating The only place I thought this would be effective would be on the rear or sides at best.

  Shots from behind damaging things in the front of the plane, or vis a versa on the back of the tank always striked me as screwey.

 I know their are some armor ammo issues that have yet to adressed,  I have not brought al of them up at once perhaps I should have so as not give a biased impreashion, if that is the sase I am sory it was not my intenent.

[Raubvogel]

Ostwind turret panels were made out of boiler plate, not face hardened armor. I imagine that would make them a bit easier to penetrate.

[minus]

beter not imagine what you can imagine in AH:mad:

begin spend more time in IL2 like in AH

the diference ? rarely got banget 40 vs 1 like in AH

[Soviet]

Originally posted by brady
While parked on the shore(near it at anyrate) I engaged an LVT who had just spawned, he was at least 1000 yards away whithen a few hits, just a few my gun was out, this I think is BS because the 50 cal could not pentrate the sides of my osty turet armor! No suprise hear the armor model is porked.

 Now I turn and head for base to land my kills.  thinking no way can he disable me I am so far away...Wrong I lose a track withen a couple seconds...grrrr.

 So Is this some kinda of gameplay conshion? Are we foreaver forced to live with a Fantistac Aircraft model and a piss pore GV model?

 What if the 7mm on the Val could kill B17's in one pass ? people would Balk at that one why not this 50 cal vs GV thing why do we have to put up with this?

You should have been driving a heavily armored AA vehicles/tank like the M3 or M16.  The ostwin has paper armor compared to these heavily armored beasts

[Pongo]

this is a silly thread.
the osty has a 6 inch gap in the front of the turret for the gun. are we sure that the round even penetrated? did a round get through that gap and miss the inner armour and get to the crew?

At 1000 yards the beaten zone of the 50 would be starting to kick in and a certain amount of drop of the bullets will occur.
at 1000 yards lets say it drops 10 meters and arrives in 1 second.
that beaten zone will kill your open topped ostwind.

of course any topogrophy that raised the rear of your osty at all would expose more of the turrent interior.


talking about absolutes in armour penetration is silly, especially vs an open topped vehicle.

The answer is to perk the ostwind.

[brady]

I was flat on the ground and firing at a slight down angle to hit the LVT.

 The whole point of this thread is to further illustrate the OVER effectivenns of the 50 cal in AH. I personaly feal the 50 cal's uberness in terms of it's general effectivenns vs every thing in AH is simply a game play function to enhance the usefullness of US aircraft/ vehicals.

[eddiek]

Hold up brady...........

Don't let your bias toward German weaponry taint this.  Hortlund showed both the .50 cal AND the 7.92mm MG will disable an armored vehicle.  
Tilting this discussion with an evil eye towards just an American weapon takes away the validity of your argument, IMO.  I've had wings and other vital flight controls disabled by both the .50 cal and the 7.92mm, so this is not just an issue with one of the two.
Either apply your "this is wrong and should not be happening" to both weapons, or please, let the subject drop.

From Hortlunds's thread on his testing:

"Effects of the current damage model:

7.92mm MG can penetrate and destroy the tracks on a PzIVH.

7.92mm MG can penetrate front turret armor and destroy turret on a PzIVH

7.92mm MG can penetrate front hull armor and destroy bow MG on a PzIHV

7.92mm MG can penetrate and destroy tracks on Ostwind

7.92mm MG can penetrate and destroy Ostwind turret from the front

7.92mm MG can penetrate concrete building and rubble it

.50cal can penetrate and destroy tracks on PzIVH

.50cal can penetrate front turret armor and destroy turret on PzIVH

.50cal can penetrate front hull armor and destroy bow MG on PzIVH

.50cal can penetrate concrete building and rubble it."

Looks like both weapons are too powerful or neither is, no?