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Offline Otto

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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2002, 04:19:04 PM »
I think it's great!  I actually feel like a WWII Bomber Pilot and not some Nentendo jockey.  

   It could use some improvment but I'm sure that will come in time just like every other inovation from HTC.

   No complaints here......

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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2002, 04:49:51 PM »
no offense..but this sht is beaten on BB way to much

the Buff suk,,,,


I love formations....

I dont mind the calibration...

But they are pretty much useless

We need box formations of atleast 12 per person:)
Or Change the Airfield Layouts

I would rather have more bomers..especilly when they pop like ballons by a single plane that flys by


I used to bom alot...I have  60 Hours in jULY in BUFFS.....they still suk for boming...only thing i use buffs for are to sink cv;s now..work great for that....or to just DEATHSTAR

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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2002, 05:31:40 PM »
Well I'm glad at least that I'm not the only one who has given up level bombing as a waste of time...

With all due respect to all the bomber experten around here, you seem to be missing the essential point that people find the new system to be overly complex and UNFUN for a (dare I say it?) GAME. Yes folks, its just an enjoyable leisurely time waster, that we pay to play. Not an actual war.

Simply calling people names and doing the playground "I can do it so nyah-nyah" cha-cha isn't going to help you get your stats up and time is now telling that people aren't "gradually learning to love the new system." I'm one of the guys who used to fly bombers 50% of the time, now I fly them rough 2% of the time and then its only so I can send 6 torpedos towards a fleet with one flight.

Most of the points I would make have already been made by Innominate in his excellent summary, so I'll try hard not to be redundant. But what it comes down to is simply this; if you want to get people to fly bombers again, you'll have to do one of the following at the very least:

1) Dump calibration and go back to LGBing (which HT will never do so on to the next suggestions)

2) If we must have WW2 calibration - we need WW2 style targets! Factory complexes, refineries, etc. with lots of closely grouped primary and secondary targets. Make targets with too many items to be effectively destroyed with JABOs. Also and this is a MAJOR beef, when a runway is hit by multiple 1K bombs you shouldn't be able to use that runway till it is repaired! Whacking all the runways at a base should put a crimp in its ability to launch planes.

3) Return the damage models on the bombers to pre-change settings. This to my mind is a must. Also, the bomber guns just aren't as powerful. The equation here is simple guys - you want people to fly 'em? Make it worth their while.

We know the experten supposedly get a kick out of having things as complex as possible (which is why they all fly 202s in the MA right? ;) Ya sure you betcha) but normal players don't.

4) And I call this the "sour grapes" approach. Make Jaboing harder. The US planes function way too well when fully loaded.

Either change the system or AH will become "Fighter Wars" and that's simply reality.

Last night in the MA we had a couple of Lanc formations come in at high alt over the base we were defending. 6 months ago, I would have been terrified, but last night we defenders IGNORED them, knowing they wouldn't even scratch our base. We concentrated on the 51s, F6Fs, and 47s that were actually hurting us.

Oh the bombers? 1 guy leisurely climbed after them in a NIKI and fragged most of them all at will. My sympathies to the poor jerks who spent so much time getting them to alt only to toss bombs randomly across the map and then get vaporized. I know from experience that it isn't fun.

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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2002, 06:14:36 PM »
yep seagoon...

I do liek teh rnway damage..it should be there,,,,You can still take off..but you will have to sue grass fileds...


WAHHHH I cant use auto take off..lollo
You should here the cries when my missions start from the HANGARS.lololo

Its so funnt that now i do it on purpose..:):)

Love BiGB
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Seagoon..,,,what you think about increasing the size of buff formatiosn..not sure how hard this would be to model

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« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2002, 08:37:23 AM »
well.... now we know where all the no talent, suicide, 150% losses jabo "missun" guys are coming from.
lazs

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« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2002, 02:48:53 PM »
whoever decided bombing was too easy in the first place?
    true, in real life, 1 b17 is not going to lay 6000lbs of
bombs precisley on target.  But in real life, 300 b17's would
burn entire cities.
  I think in some instances, we have to sacrifice realism for
feasability in game play, and time issues with some of us.
  It is a good balance, if I get my b17 thru the nme air defenses,
which were never nonexistant, i can knock out fuel and radar
of an airbase.
  I gather returning to the old method is not going to happen,
but something has to be done to get the buffs back in the sky.
  I not only buff, but hunt buffs, and i can say.  The pickens are
slim these days.

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« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2002, 04:06:03 PM »
From the score board ,yesterday morning to early this morning.
KIA, 38 B17s, 21 B26s and 45 Lancs. Total 109 sorties. Not very many if they all went up alone. Very few if they went up in formation.