Subjective Armor model.......Just what is this?

[hitech]

I mean if you shoot at it long enough, it is regesterd and tallyed and added to other's hit's from other players and then well the program say's the rear armor panel has had enough and just fails? Even though it is physicaly imposable for this to hapen?

This is not how things work, with GV armor a bullet either penitraits or not, looses energy if it goes threw ,then strikes or dosn't strike somthing else.

If a bullet can't benitrate the armor you can shoot somthing all day and no damage will be done.

Also understand there are 3 damage models in AH.

1 for buidlings.
1 for planes.
1 for GV's.

The GV model is the most complex and will produce the most random results do to it's detail.

As to damage models being subjective, they always will be, things like armor pentrating , do not need to be subjective, but what the bullet does after penitraion are very subective. Things like how many 50cals can kill a track are very subjective.

[brady]

If I write down all my Question HiTech and call you would have time to answer them It would not take more than say 30min.

 I still dont under stand how damage is being done by weapons that were incapable of delevering the end results we see on a regular basis in AH to GV's.

[Toad]

HiTech... tell him to call you. Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaze!

I'll give ya another bottle.. promise!  

[hitech]

Make it 1 & 1 toad 1 Craig, and 1 very old macalen, the stakes went up.

After I saw a post of some one not even knowing what the correct unit of ranges are in AH, any opinion on there thoughts on lethality goes down hill very fast.

Comes down to Hey I got killed in a tank and wan't to prove it shouldn't have been, instead of a discusion on what realy could happen.

[BenDover]

Originally posted by Yeager
bad karma for killing all those kitties

where's that picture when i need it?

[Toad]

lol!

Whew! The stakes REALLY went up there........ but I'll consider it. Might be worth it, if you know what I mean.

One thing.... define "very old MacAllan" please. Old enough to vote or just old enough to breed?   Or will a mere 12 year old do?

Once I know that, I can weigh the whiskey against the ........ well, I can make an informed decision.


Later HT... really enjoyed the con. Maybe next year I can fly down. (crosses fingers)

[brady]

Great appearently my speady and lazy aproach to spelling and typing has finial let me down( It apears my teachers may of been correct) If I made a typo somewhear and it was inturpeted as that I have no knowledge of the game ranges and no base understanding of this issues at hand, becuase i refered to a distance in a form out side the game norm then I gues I must be all wet. Lets asume jsut for the sake of that I was wrong that all the distaances I quoted were off that I am clue less after all. Just whinning becuase I lost my ride.

  Does that mean that questions like this are less revelent, have less meaning or are less true?

 Why does 37mm AP ammo have no effect on the M3/M16.

 Why do rifle caliber weapons disable engins on The Panzer and Imobalise them.

 Why does the 50 cal consistantly disable, or distroy tanks out side of it's effective armor piercing enevelope.

 Why do low angle strafing atacks from weapons in capable of pentrating the osty turet t/o that turet.

 How come the tracks on the Panzer's are so easly taken out by MG fire, when they were almost never lost do this type of fire in the war.

 What of low velocity Cannon fire from weapons that had no chance of acheaving a pentration having effect's on the tank's.

 Clearly even If I knew nothing of these issues it changes the revalence of these questions not one bit.

  Their they are HiTech thats it (aside from off topic question I had).

[john9001]

for gods sake HiTec , give brady a King Tiger II so he can crawl inside his mobile fortress and criuse the country side destroying all before him with out worrying about the nasty little airoplanes buzzing around his head like flys.

44MAG

[Turbot]

The Original question was a good one.


BBS threads tend to degenerate.


In a perfect BBS world only people with something relevant to add would reply.


Probably after about 5 (original) posts no thread is worth reading.

I would not discourage anyone from posting what they believe.  But I would strongly discourage people from posting solely to upset others.

Thats all I have to say about that.

[BenDover]

Originally posted by john9001
for gods sake HiTec , give brady a King Tiger II so he can crawl inside his mobile fortress and criuse the country side destroying all before him with out worrying about the nasty little airoplanes buzzing around his head like flys.

44MAG

but wouldn't he get more pissed off that his 'mobile fortress' gets taken out by a .50 cal plane?

[Toad]

Gee, maybe you should have just called HT right off instead of starting 5 or 6 threads on GV's and damage?

I'm sure he would have had time to discuss those questions with you... then.

None of the regular player base has/had correct answers to those.

So were you in search of knowledge in all those threads or just "stirring the soup"?

[Hortlund]

Hey Toad, why are you all over Brady?

The gv and object damage model is flawed. Something is wrong with a damage model that lets you kill tanks with .50 cals, or one that lets you take down a stone building using 7.92mm machine guns.

Brady has pointed this out in a number of threads. It has gotten the attention of HT, that is good.

Now I must ask you, why the attitude? I mean you can just as well dive down on me or anyone else who have agreed with Brady that something needs to be changed.

You have been on his back (and mine) about how we should call HTC instead and chat with them on the phone. Instead of doing that I mailed my questions to the Q&A forum. This mainly for two reasons. First, because the Q&A forum is there, and everyone with a question about their pet peeve with AH cant go calling the office. And second because it is easier to discuss things like this (armor penetration models are extremely complex) via email or forums than talk about them on the phone. If Im sitting here writing stuff down, I can easily take 5 mins and go check my sources or whatever, I cant do that on the phone.

[Toad]

If one is truly concerned about some issue why post 5 different threads asking essentially the same questions that no normal player can answer? Why "flavor" it all with remarks about "how long do we have to put up with this BS"?

Just go to the source. If they don't have time to talk, you'll never get past Matt anyway. That's part of his job description.

If some issue bothers you and you don't want to call, why not post your concerns in ONE thread and then WAIT a while and see if they can get to the BBS and give you some answers. Where's the need for a massive 5 thread/50 post assault? To me that's just trying to stir the ...... soup.......

Got issues? Good; post your example, what you think is wrong and why, any suggestons you might have, do it without the "attitude" and wait a while. Give them a chance.

Can't wait that long? Call 'em.

Just my .02.

[SKurj]

A phone call from one player ...

represents one person's opinion +) a thread like this presents support for that opinion and in this case one other person's errmm i have no idea what Toad is tryin to achieve ... +Q


Toad.. why does a part of gameplay that YOU do not partake in (and which likely doesn't affect your game) bother you so?
IT does affect other players who do play the ground war, and yes they also help pay for the same game u do..


SKurj

[brady]

Thanks Guyes.