Author Topic: Suggestion: Bomb blast to GVs (Read 228 times)

Kweassa · « **on:** August 09, 2002, 06:27:45 AM »

I'm pretty sure bomb blast damage is someting we are all looking forward to have in AH. But currently, I have a strong feeling that how the bomb blast would effect buildings and runways isn't exactly figured out yet - there are obvioulsy some difficulties even I can perceive.

So, then, how about implementing the bomb blast effects one step at a time, starting with the GVs?

Now, I saw this very very inspiring scene from AH. I was guarding a town in my Panzer, and there was a hill very close nearby. An enemy GV spawn point was just above the hill, and I got the chance to observe this rookie GV driver overspeed and tumble down the hill again and again.

I must admit the physical behavior of the GV when it overspeeds and tumbles over, is one of the most convincing scenes I have ever seen. Not even in most sophisticated racing games have I seen that kind of spectacular GV crash

Seeing how the GVs are modelled to react when it meets a physical force, loses balance and tips over and go tumbling, I seemed to figure "heck, if they can do that while rolling downhill, there would be no reason they can't do that when a bomb drops very close to the proximity of a GV".

Is there any chance bomb effectiveness against GVs could be increased by modelling concussion force from bombs? This does not necessarily mean all bombs should be that way against all targets. Just figured it would be something interesting characteristic implemented to GVs, and if it is successful, well, perhaps the rest of the 'bomb blast radius' concept could evolve from there.

If they can model the drastic shift of balance caused by overspeed, couldn't they use same the mechanism which triggers the 'tumble' to depict near-hit bomb drops which would tip the GV over? A light GV might be blown away and tumble, and a heavier one might get no damage if lucky, but the driver would still experience this cool "shake" inside the GV.

It would add a lot to immersion

popeye · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2002, 09:19:02 AM »

Seems like a near miss with a bomb could produce a "wounded driver/gunner", much like the "wounded pilot".

SKurj · « **Reply #2 on:** August 09, 2002, 12:47:31 PM »

a near miss with a big bomb would supposedly flip even heavy tanks

SKurj

SlapShot · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2002, 01:15:27 PM »

I was sitting in an Ostwind last night very near the VH. A P-47 dropped in and hit the VH blowing it up. At the same time, the concussion damaged my engine causing it to smoke.

I have been in the reverse situation also, where I have hit the VH hanger and any vehicle that is within a certain distance also blows up.

I think that HT does model the bomb concussion to a certain extent but not to the degree of flipping it over. I think he just destroys it and saves the processing for something else, rather than flipping it over and making it useless.

CMC Airboss · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2002, 04:04:43 PM »

Bomb and rocket blast effects do seem to exist but only affect soft targets (ie airplanes, acks, open top GV's) with significant damage or destruction.

MiG

ccvi · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2002, 05:48:22 AM »

More than once I've dropped 1klbs bombs so close to GVs that they were sitting inside the crater afterwards - alive, external gunners (osti main gun, or panzer pintle gun...) working.

Would be nice if they could at least be flipped if they don't die.

Samm · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2002, 06:12:45 AM »

Bomb blast kill radius is allready modeled, so is rocket and projectile . Was introduced or at least improved in the same version that engine response delay to throttle was introduced I believe .

illo · « **Reply #7 on:** August 11, 2002, 12:07:37 AM »

500kg bomb needs to land within 5m of medium tank to be effective. This was conclusion of german Stuka pilots.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2002, 01:28:31 AM »

had a near miss with a 500 lb bomb today that killed the panzer I was aiming at. I'd say the bomb missed by 5-10 yards. Blast damage is modeled on GVs.

What does not seem to be modeled is the blast effect. If a bomb goes off but doesn't kill a GV... the GV doesn't really react to the impact.

It does seem it would take alot of explosives to tip a tank weighing several tons and with a low center of gravity.... especially by a near miss. I'd be curious as to if someone could actually find a reference to tanks being tipped on their side by bomb blasts... or on their top. I just can't recall seeing a photo of a tank in that particular condition.

AKDejaVu

Lizard3 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 11, 2002, 02:36:27 AM »

I'll get back with ya on that one. I have a book about Kursk that shows a few flipped from bomb blast. I'm in the middle of a re-install....again, so give me a few days.