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Offline SC-Sp00k

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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2002, 08:09:49 AM »
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I reckon Oz and the UN get along great, ETimor proved that. It's just that the odd immigration lawyer gets us in the toejam every now and then.


This isnt the same UN thats currently accusing us of Human Rights violations both for our Immigration Policy and the way we support the natives is it ? ;)

UN Peace Keeping Roles often find Australian Troops under the command of the Regional Officer of another Country. Pakistani, Dutch etc.  East Timor was a pleasant change from that rubbish and one hopefully we will continue whilst working with the UN.

But the UN itself can be a shambles. Its leadership constantly bickering and its senior staff to busy covering their own backsides politically to expediate and utilise their resources by the most effective means. Our Government is constantly in some debate with the UN over its use of our UNCIVPOL troops.  The rules change as quickly as the weather.

Its not all bad. But its not all good either.

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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2002, 08:19:34 AM »
Heh, this has to be a troll.  You might as well be proposing moving Israel to Mars.  It isn't going to happen.  Beyond that, it would be a huge, gigantic mess that is worse than the current situation if it did.

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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2002, 09:54:35 AM »
Well, to think that Moving Israeli's is impossible, Might be Why some thought that Polland,East Germany, Ukraine and others would be Never be free from USSR. Anything is possible if We all work together. Australia would benefit from Israelis being on same continent. Like manufacturing products Buying minerals and Australian products. Let alone think of who would be mostly building the first 2 cities in New location. This would mean jobs money tourism and a boost to economy of Australia.
One thing international lawyers looking into is. Do aboriginal people own this territory? If so purchase would benefit them as well. think of the tourism that Australia would get from Jewish people from around the world now coming to their continent. Were not purposing Israelis become Australians we are suggesting Australia selling a portion of their continent to bring peace in middle east. If a world war breaks out in middle east all will surfer in one way or another.



The choice of Israelis moving to your content, Would be more likely then having them move to American soil. In USA It is impossible to find a land area that is mostly un populated. That could be populated without relocating existing Americans. in Australia no one would have to be relocated from lands that are presently un populated. This land would give Israelis a beach and a port plus farm land that they need to grow as a country.



 And for you to think Israelis would attack Australia is as likely as Mike Tyson becoming the pope. Israelis don't want to fight.



Imagine no more armored busses to take their children to school, and now it wouldn't be unsafe just to wait for a bus, or going to a restaurant wouldn't be risking death, Night clubs would be a place to relax not wonder when it may exploded. Now with all these improvements why would they want to fight Australia. They don't want to fight Palestinians or anyone for that matter they just want to survive in world. Why shouldn't the countries that can Save a Nation help if it cost them nothing and they gain respect of world and gain in monetary benefits too?






 in case your wondering part of moving Israelis would be mostly by military Transports. What I did was I found how many tons of belongings Israelis have then looked at Tons of equipment we sent to Saudi Arabia. to find cost out. And USA and other countries Train their pilots and men every day in transporting equipment. Now they would transport Israelis to their new land while getting flight time and training another Win win situation.

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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2002, 12:25:00 PM »
Oh, Im feeling so silly that I didnt take you serious the first time. I can see that you have put alot of thought into this one.

I suppose it would only be fair if I presented my own peace plan then.

My Peace plan for the middle east
a short essay by Steve Hortlund

The Israelis should build a fake city like they did in the movie Blazing Saddles. Then they should put up a bunch of signs like: Keep out Palestinians! etc. Then they would just have to sit back and watch all the Palestinians run in to the fake town and blow themselves up. And the sooner the Pals blow themselves up, the sooner the whole region will be peaceful.

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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2002, 12:29:12 PM »
Oh I get it... the Palestinians are the problem. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2002, 12:40:24 PM »
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And for you to think Israelis would attack Australia is as likely as Mike Tyson becoming the pope. Israelis don't want to fight.

The Israelis don't want to fight, but they do want to enlarge their borders. Exactly the same would be true in Australia.

In an alternative universe, where Israel had been established in Australia in the 40s, Palestine would now be a major tourist destination for Europeans, and Israelis and Australians would be killing each other. Wonder which side the US would supply with weapons in that scenario?

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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2002, 01:05:28 PM »
Just because the land used to be theirs (does land really belong to anybody?) in some book or whatever doesnt mean that they will forever own it. They must defend it and maintain it and make it into something that will last. I guess Even god or ala or whoever has a reapo man. What about California and Mexico (many Mexicans deep inside still believe California belong to them) or the US and the American Indians? Its like saying you have jurristiction on your exwife cas you used to be her primary stick. Whatever, its plain and simple territory stalking and they need a restraining order. Live in peace or die by the sword you wield!

Sandman, I used to live in Texas as a kid :) Too many cockroaches there and they are big as hell there.
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2002, 01:17:11 PM »
BTW: Most countries (including the middle east countries) are largely wide open unused land with cities and populated ares here and there. There is so much land in the middle east countries. Why dont the sympathizers be a little generous and give the Palistinians an area instead of trying to tear up what little area that is Isreal's territory now? Give me a break, thats why the middle east will get bombed to stone age eventually, thats why it makes sense after all.

BTW: I used to love to blow up the cockroaches with firecrackers, 1 1/2 to 2 inch roaches. BOOM!
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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2002, 01:32:59 PM »
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I suggest Arizona or Texas is a better solution, that way the US aid doesn't have to travel so far.


lol Nice one Tronsky. :D
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« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2002, 01:37:52 PM »
Heheheheheh

Some of the best humor is done with a straight face. Sidthekid is trolling you suckers heheheh.

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6. All Persons living in Jerusalem will be relocated (with no cost them) just out side free zones. And be giving first choice and living area


Oh no cost to them... swell what a deal!. Um.. Who pays for it?
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My peace plan includes moving Israel to a new location and building a new Israel country in Australia

Australia?.... what happened you get a bad Fosters or something
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Australia is democrat country this will insure Israelites with a secure home land, and save Israel government Billions of dollars per year in security.


LOL!! might save the U.S government billions

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18. Palestine Will be protected from any invasion or incursion by any nation Arabic or other wise By full might of united Nations. An attack on Palestine will be considered declaration of war on the UNITED NATIONS.


Ohhhhh even putting the UN in all caps makes them seem real important! What happens when the US simply vetoes this silly idea?
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Once this is Signed by Israel and all parties henceforth.
All Palestinians shall lay weapons down and turn into Arab league. All weapons including explosives


Muhulahahahah... I see trails.. I see trails.. and pretty colors

Ok his rant was pretty good I laughed. But then further down on the thread...

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Was hoping for suggestions and thoughts. This is not to flame or start a racist subject. And if You go to aol's "turmoil in the middle east" you'll see this is on the level. Just want input from anyone and everyone.......


Yeah this is on a level all right... Easy you give him a 3.. this boy up to a 6 at least :)

Hortland's plan is the best.. Just nuke the whole damn place.

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« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2002, 01:40:13 PM »
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Oh I get it... the Palestinians are the problem. :rolleyes:


nooOOOOO...why would the Palestinians be the problem?

What a crazy idea-...whatever gave you that idea?

Just because they send in suicide bombers to blow up Israeli women and children? Or sneak in gunmen into normal Israeli citizens homes in the middle of the night to murder as many as possible before they are shot?

Just because the sided with Saddam Hussein in the Kuweit war, or because they were dancing in the streets on 9-11...or in the words of a palestinan woman on 9-11 "I think it is very good, now the Americans know how we feel."?

Just because they have started numerous wars against Israel with the object of "throwing all jews into the sea"?

Just because the palestinian "government" have about as much respect for basic human rights as Saddam Hussein, or because the leader of the palestinian people is a terrorist?

WHY would that make the PALESTINIANS the problem?

Everything is clearly the fault of Israel, the only democracy in the region.

What have they done now again?

They exist

...the nerve
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« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2002, 01:50:01 PM »
France already has a problem owing liberties to the US. Now quite possibly, Isreal will have a credit problem with the US in the future.

LOL
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2002, 02:07:57 PM »
Mein Kampf

We all agree it's only a matter of time before the Mideast erupts into all-out war and they not only kill each other off but destroy the oilfields and religious monuments too. We owe it to future generations to preserve these ancient momuments and the only way to do this is to use biological weapons against the entire region. Easy- fast- effective- PLUS it leaves the infrastructure intact.

Of course with all the rotting corpses in the desert heat someone will have to dispose of them, so we declare Mexico a terrorist State and ship off the Mexicans to the Mideast to bury the dead Arabs and run the oil fields. Basically we're doing the Mexicans a favor by relocating them. Hell, we'll even pay them for the oil.

Then we annex Canada and declare all French speaking Canadians terrorists and ship them off to the now-empty Mexican prisons. Any other nations complain? Declare them terrorists States and nuke em- unless they have something we want, then we gas em and take their stuff.

Now this is where Mein Kampf gets controversial. We move all monuments of historical significance to Arizona for protection. The pyramids, Taj Mahal, the Wailing Wall, the Vatican, the Eifel Tower, Big Ben...We move all of them to Arizona and open a theme park called "Seven Wonders Of The World" theme park. We set up a roller coaster that goes through the Great Pyramid of Giza, maybe a parachute-drop ride on the Eifel Tower, maybe change the Vatican into a fun house... Maybe put a mister atop the Wailing Wall... And maybe set up the Sphinx so its mouth opens and a roller coaster car goes in and you feel like you're being swallowed...

Of course like all my ideas you guys will shoot it full of holes and call me names but I don't care. This is a plan that has everything America needs- Cheap gas, no more fighting in the Mideast, no more Mexicans jumping the border, no more French Canadians and, as a really cool added bonus, another theme park.

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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2002, 02:25:55 PM »
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WHY would that make the PALESTINIANS the problem?

Everything is clearly the fault of Israel, the only democracy in the region.

What have they done now again?

They exist

...the nerve


I think it a gross oversimplification to place all of the blame on Palestine. Israel helped make this bed. Let 'em sleep in it.
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2002, 02:58:32 PM »
From today's Haaretz:

The Hebron settlers were acting on the basis of a well-planned agenda, Israeli security officials told Ha'aretz. First, settler leaders "mark out" targets to be seized. Next, young Jewish activists use violence to remove Palestinian homeowners from their properties. Jewish youths then break into the Palestinian homes; though they might originally be removed by the IDF and policemen on the scene, the young people return to the homes, remove property owned by Palestinians and prepare them to be taken over by settlers.

One Israeli security source contends that "an ongoing procedure of evicting Palestinians" is afoot in Hebron. Its aim is to "enlarge the Jewish territory," the source says.

Jewish children and teenagers, the source says, are sent to initiate such "evictions," adding that the youngsters "start by cutting water pipes, tossing around goods or overturning market stalls; in the end, the Arab families flee."

During the past year, the source claims, a few Jewish families took up residence in Palestinian stores located in a market that abuts the settler enclave. The market was closed after the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre perpetrated by Baruch Goldstein.


From B'Tselem:

On Saturday, June 8, 2002, settlers from Karme Zur were killed. A day or two later, the settlers started building a road south of the settlement. It’s four kilometers long. The road starts near Halhul and goes to Beit Umar. About 400 dunum of agricultural land owned by more than forty families from Halhul, including my own, were left between the settlement and the new road. As a result, the farmers can’t get to their lands and work them. The settlers chase the farmers, shoot in the air, threaten their lives, confiscate their ID cards and damage the crop. At first, the army saw what was happening and didn’t intervene Then, the soldiers, in cooperation with the settlers, started preventing farmers from reaching their lands. The soldiers claimed it was a military zone. They designated an area spanning 300 meters south east of the settlement fence. No one is allowed to go near the area or enter it.

On Friday, June 14, 2002, at 7:00 AM, I went with my brother, Ahmad, aged 47, and other farmers from Halhul to the lands to work. The settlement’s guards came and tried to drive us away. The army intervened, and we were allowed to work. At 11:00 AM, four people who said they were the settlement’s security men came to the land and started shooting in the air and harassing us. They had a knife and said they would stab us if we didn’t leave. They cut the ropes we had tied on the grapevines. My brother, Ahmad, was injured in the face and was taken to hospital for treatment. The settlers also pushed a woman named ‘Aziza Ahmad ‘Aqel, aged 55, off the donkey she was riding. Her leg was injured and she was taken to hospital. The army gave her and my brother first aid, near the army base, before they were taken to hospital.

That day, the army called the police. When the police officers arrived, they told us to file a complaint with the Kiryat Arba police the next day. We did so. Four days later, Israeli policemen arrived at the place to check it. We still haven’t got an answer. We try to get to our lands almost every day, because we can’t abandon the orchards, especially these days, when the grapevines require daily treatment. But, as soon as we get there, the settlers, the army, or both drive us away while threatening to kill or arrest us.


These are everyday occurances. Since 1967, 40% of the area of the West Bank has been confiscated by the Israeli government from it's Arab owners. More is being taken every day.

Obviously, it's all the Palestinians fault.