Middle East peace plan

[sidthekid]

Hi. I've Written a middle east peace plan, This has been discussed on Talk back live and has been sent to King Abdallah of Jordan and Many others  that are looking for peace including Jimmy Crater , Jesse Jackson Jr. , John Mc Cain among others. Just would like avg. Man's opinion on it. You can read a full version at Aol's Web site "Turmoil in the middle east". There you will see my e-mail and profile. But would like everyone's ideas and questions on this.

Saturday, July 27, 2002                                                                      




                I believe moving Israel is the only way to insure peace ever in the Middle East. Jewish people from concentration camps after WW2 where moved to Palestine by the French and British, which in turn Jewish citizens fought Palestinians for independence, which evicted Arab people from their lands and homes. What I am proposing is to bring peace to middle east and Israel for all time. I believe that Israel and Arab's have harden their hearts so much that unless Israel moves there will be no peace in the middle east. Moving Palestinians would leave Israel still surrounded by unfriendly countries. My peace plan includes moving Israel to a new location and building a new Israel country in Australia. Reason for Australia is 2 fold. 1 Australia has the most vastly desolated and UN populated area with closest climate to Israel 2nd as Australia is democrat country this will insure Israelites with a secure home land, and save Israel government Billions of dollars per year in security. In my plan I purpose to make holy land a free city including all of Jerusalem. All existing people no matter religion or country shall vacate and move out of free zone. The reason for making Jerusalem a free city. Is to insure that all those who wish to visit holy land shall be safe and without restrictions. This plan I think would benefit Arab league Palestinians Israelis and Australia. and would probably help a lot of US and other countries by having their companies build a new Israeli country in Australia........




Once this is Signed by Israel and all parties henceforth.
All Palestinians shall lay weapons down and turn into Arab league. All weapons including explosives.



1. During transition Arab nations and UN peacekeepers shall send troops to protect holy sites and Israel during transition.

2. Arab league to buy land from Australia and turn over to Israel for their new home land.

3. US 25% GB 10% Arab league 40% and 25% UN nations to pay cost to Build Israel 2 major cities in Australia. And move entire Jewish State to Australia.

4. Move Israel to 200 square miles of NW Australia.

5. Palestinian's will pay Israelis for companies in Israel that exist now. These purchases shall be in form of loans, from Palestine leaders backed by Arab league nations.

6. All Persons living in Jerusalem will be relocated (with no cost them) just out side free zones. And be giving first choice and living area

7. Jerusalem (AKA free city) to become free city enclosing all Holy sites. Everyone in world welcome and no one will be denied entry to holy land. Pilgrim visa is all that is needed. Holy sites will now belong to entire world. And be a safe harbor for all those who visit. Free City (AKA like the Vatican). To be Patrolled by UN peace keeping force made up of mostly Arab league Countries.

8. If it becomes unsafe for Israelis or others to visit holy land. Then and only then entire holy land would revert back to Israel control back by UN. Troops and Arab league nations.

9. If Palestinians cannot control safety of Jerusalem they shall forfeit all lands and only occupy Gaza strip. Rest of Palestine would be unoccupied lands guard by UN and Arab league nations to secure peace in holy land sites.

10. King Abdalha of Jordan and only King Abdalha shall appoint leader of new state of Palestine. This leader will be for 2 year period. At which time Palestinians shall Elect a leader by democrat vote.

11. violation of peace by Palestine or Arab nations during the estimated 2 year transfer shall again invoke stipulation 9

12. Violation by Israel during 2 year transition shall constitute payment from Palestine for companies be paid in full.

13. In 10 years entire Palestine shall revert to Palestinians people If they have met requirements which follow, No violence against tourist in or around Palestine, Freely held elections, and a self sustaining country contributing to Arab league and world.

14. United Nations To always reserve Right to intervene in protection of holy land. for all nations to enjoy

15.  Free city to be run officially with Israel 30% vote Arab league 20% United nations 50 vote In how city is run and dealing with any controversy that may arise.

16. Arab league shall be responsible for safety of all embassies in Free City. All nations that request permission from UN can build an embassy in free city.

17. Arab league will be responsible for migration into Israel towns by refuges. It will be up to Arab league with UN observer's to relocate and decide who shall run business and who shall live where once Israel is moved out.

18.  Palestine Will be protected from any invasion or incursion by any nation Arabic or other wise By full might of united Nations. An attack on Palestine will be considered declaration of war on the UNITED NATIONS.

19.  Arab league to supply police force for first 2 years of Palestine to enable Arab league nations to train a legitimate police force with strict laws. Following teachings of Islam.





P.S. Call sign is Tallboy in AH

Sandman ty forgot size was redone to 200 sq, miles after discussion with growth pedictions by Professor of Isreali studies. His suggestion was"If we go to this much trouble to bring a people halfway around world lets make sure their growth is not a issue in the future" Stanley Blum PHD.

[Sandman]

I'll bite...

I'm wondering what the Australians will think of all of this..

Maybe they'll create the ALO and send suicide bombers against the Israeli invasion.

100 square miles? That's it? Hell... aren't there parts of Texas we can let 'em have? Hell... the U.S. is the country with the big hard on for supporting Israel. Where better than our own country?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by sidthekid
I believe moving Israel is the only way to insure peace ever in the Middle East.

Stopped reading right here and went into -mode.

Great plan...I hope you have mailed it to someone.

[Animal]

ROFL


...wait is he serious?

[Curval]

Originally posted by Hortlund


Stopped reading right here and went into -mode.

Great plan...I hope you have mailed it to someone.

I scrolled down to see whether Hortlund, Boroda,or Downing et al had replied to get a quick synopis before investing in the time to read it.....thanks for saving me the time Horlund.

[sidthekid]

I'll bite...

I'm wondering what the Australians will think of all of this..

Maybe they'll create the ALO and send suicide bombers against the Israeli invasion.

100 square miles? That's it? Hell... aren't there parts of Texas we can let 'em have? Hell... the U.S. is the country with the big hard on for supporting Israel. Where better than our own country?



Sandman Alittle more reason behind Australia.

1. It was british that chose Palastine for Refuges from Nazi's death Camps. Other places on short list were in Africa and South America.

2. Australia is mostly unpopulated and area of land I chose is 200 Square miles with nearest village or town 450 miles away. Matter of fact only 1 road goes thru land if you call dirt pot holes a road. This also would increase Isreali Country by at least 3 times its size. Which is one of the major problems in Isreal now. They have to spread out into new settlements which is causeing some radical Palastians to increase attacks on them.


3. Australia has a great Jewish population. That will help with transition.


4.Great Britian chose Palastine, For one major reason. They ( great britian) were going to turn over the Suez Canal to Egypt. And they wanted a fast responce if egypt closed the suez canal. The Isreali ( at time were called Jewish comando's)Comando's
 were trained By the British in ww2. And in fact when Egypt Closed Canal to the western world First troops in were Isrealis.




5. Like I said moving palastians will not solve middle east problems. As Isreali will still be surrounded by countries that hate.
   


 6. Plan calls for others to move isrealis and build their cities,at no cost to them at all. this would Save Isrealis estimated 36.7 MILLION per WEEK in defense alone. Plus Isrealis would have furtile land to grow crops, and minerals to fabricate products. Right now Isreal imports all minerals for fabrication. And America and Great Britian Would save billions per yyear in Aid we give Isreal for their survive.

[Sandman]

What? You don't like Texas?

[easymo]

On the troll scale, I give it a 3.  He did go to all the trouble to write all of that out.

[Hangtime]

Nah. leave the Israli's where they are.

..send all the palestinians to sibera, and dump the resta the arabs into mongolia. maybe they can send a luge team to the olympics next year.

[sidthekid]

Was hoping for suggestions and thoughts. This is not to flame or start a racist subject. And if You go to aol's "turmoil in the middle east"  you'll see this is on the level. Just want input from anyone and everyone.......


please think before posting a reply...... I'm a simple man with 5 children. Have lost @ brothers in Viet nam "US airforce" and have sen how death can take a family to depthsMost don't want to se or hear about. Enough killing already in middle East, It will take entire world to secure peace. For if we don't within 10 yars there will be a nuclear war in middle East Isrealis have nukes and ARABIC countries not to far off. And then holy land than Jesus was born to save and died there will be lost for ever, Let aloe the millions who will suffer.



Sorry rambling on. Any idea or better plans you may think of would be helpful.

[easymo]

Its not a war.  Its a blood feud.  It started many generations before you were born.  It will last long after you have gone.

[Animal]

Your whole post is fairey tale man.
Right when you proposed to pick up israel and move it to Australia.

Are you really so naive to believe that is possible, or am I too cynical?

[Holden McGroin]

The Torah, and therefor the Bible says that God gave the land of Israel, not Ayers Rock, (or oolaroo if you prefer) to the Israelites.  

Moses delivered the Jews out of Egypt by parting the Red Sea, not the Indian Ocean.

This is the only flaw to your plan, however because these beliefs are held with religious fervor your plan is doomed to failure… sorry


"This land is mine,
God gave this land to me
This plain and ancient land to me

And when the morning sun
Rises over hill and tree
Then I'll see a land where children can run free

So take my hand
And walk this land with me
The plain and ancient land with me"

---song from the movie exodus

[SC-Sp00k]

Do you seriously expect that Australians would support this?

We have a saying here that would sum it all up in 3 little words.

NO BLOODY WAY!

I have no problem with the Israeli people. I actually take their side in their little dispute despite believing them to be wrong about the Gaza strip. But theres no way in hell, id support moving the state of Israel to my country!.

We have our own immigration problems in case you havent seen the news.  That big space up north you think is going to waste was bought and paid for in Australian lives.  We dont just go giving it away because the Arabs and Israel cant get along!

The majority of Australians have a hard enough time giving land back to the native Aboriginals let alone, giving it away to a foriegn Power!

Nice try but bloody ludicrous!

And the U.N. and Australia arent exactly the best of mates at this present time either.  We would listen to them about as much as my wife listens to me.

[-tronski-]

Originally posted by SC-Sp00k
Do you seriously expect that Australians would support this?

We have a saying here that would sum it all up in 3 little words.

NO BLOODY WAY!

I have no problem with the Israeli people. I actually take their side in their little dispute despite believing them to be wrong about the Gaza strip. But theres no way in hell, id support moving the state of Israel to my country!.

We have our own immigration problems in case you havent seen the news.  That big space up north you think is going to waste was bought and paid for in Australian lives.  We dont just go giving it away because the Arabs and Israel cant get along!

The majority of Australians have a hard enough time giving land back to the native Aboriginals let alone, giving it away to a foriegn Power!

Nice try but bloody ludicrous!

And the U.N. and Australia arent exactly the best of mates at this present time either.  We would listen to them about as much as my wife listens to me.

I reckon Oz and the UN get along great, ETimor proved that. It's just that the odd immigration lawyer gets us in the toejam every now and then.

As for the notion about moving Isreal to Aus

Uh-huh

No thanks, I see what the IDF does to the owners of what they inhabit now...don't need Isreali tanks in Sydney, we got enough trouble in Bankstown now.

I suggest Arizona or Texas is a better solution, that way the US aid doesn't have to travel so far.

 Tronsky