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Offline Vulcan

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« on: August 10, 2002, 08:55:12 PM »
Just thought you guys might be interested, theres a few people taking the USA off their lists of places they'd like to see:

'I was treated like a common criminal'
11 August 2002  
By PHIL TAYLOR

A former air hostess says she was treated like a "common criminal" by United States immigration officials for a minor visa infringement.


Maggie Anderson, 50, who is married to an American, was detained for 35 hours, handcuffed, fingerprinted, body-searched and sent back to New Zealand after arriving at Los Angeles airport on an annual visit to see family.

Anderson is among a growing number of of Kiwis complaining about heavy-handed treatment by US immigration. These include Queenstown's Darren Caulton, a location scout who found some of the sites used in The Lord of the Rings trilogy and journalist Fiona Smith.

Several years ago Anderson and Caulton overstayed the 90-day visa, routinely given to New Zealanders on arrival in the United States, because injury delayed their departure. They had visited the country several times since without problem.

Anderson, a former Air New Zealand hostess, has been to the US 400 times, four since she overstayed her visa by eight days due to a back injury in 1998.

They were caught in a crackdown on immigration breaches in the wake of the September 11 terrorist attacks.

Caulton was detained for 26 hours. He was in transit in Los Angeles on his way home from his honeymoon in Europe, forcing his distraught wife Fleur to return to New Zealand without him.

He and Anderson said they were shocked at the lack of professionalism from officials who were rude, arrogant and continually shouted at detainees.

Caulton was also fingerprinted, photographed, searched and escorted through the public arrivals lounge with hands cuffed behind his back. His shoelaces were removed "so I wouldn't hang myself".

"I just couldn't believe the treatment we got. They weren't prepared to listen to anyone, didn't let you make a phone call, nothing," Caulton said.

"They were just out of control. It was like they were a law unto their own."

Officials made lewd comments to a young Russian woman who didn't speak English and a weeping Chinese woman, who also spoke no English, was repeatedly shouted at to stop crying, Caulton said.

A Korean priest was told "to go home and preach to your own people".

Anderson said she saw two men beaten to the ground by security guards during her detention.

Caulton said a knee injury which put him on crutches caused him to overstay his visa.

His employer at the time wrote to US immigration and he'd understood the matter was cleared up.

He said he'd raised it as he left the US in 1996 and was told it was not a problem and it hadn't been mentioned during several visits since - "then six years later this happens".

Caulton said he was told by an investigating officer of the immigration and Naturalisation Service there had been a mistake.

There was no apology and he was still escorted to his flight to New Zealand "like a criminal". He and Anderson were held overnight and refused access to their belongings. They were not given bedding or meals and were escorted by armed guards to the toilet.

"It was a shocking way to finish a great honeymoon. My wife was really upset because they wouldn't tell her anything," Caulton said.

He was allowed to speak to his wife only after threatening to "make a scene".

Anderson who, with husband Doug, has made an annual visit to the US for the past 25 years, wants to warn travellers of the treatment they face if they have even the most minor blot on their copybook.

If they had doubts they should sort it out with the US consulate before leaving New Zealand, she said.

She was asked by officials in Los Angeles for proof of the back injury which caused her to overstay. Those documents were in New Zealand.

Anderson is frustrated such a minor thing was dealt with in a heavy-handed way. "I feel they have gone into panic mode (as a result of September 11)."

The experience was distressing, embarrassing and an eye-opener. "I'm no prude. It takes a lot to embarrass me. Now I'm angry but I couldn't even talk about it a week ago.

"If this was done to an American in another country they would be outraged."

Anderson was searched by a woman wearing rubber gloves. "You are spreadeagled against a wall, like you see in the movies. It was humiliating and for someone younger it could have been devastating."

Fiona Smith was sent back to New Zealand while in Hawaii en route to Canada on a work assignment.

She had overstayed her visa seven years earlier. Though treated civilly, she was not allowed to speak to the person who made the decision to send her home.

"I was obviously not a threat to American society but they are so narrow minded and bureaucratic you can't reason with them."

The US tightened its approach to breaches of immigration regulations this year as part of the country's response to the New York terrorist attacks.

The US Embassy warned in April travellers who overstayed could be deported and barred from re-entering the country permanently.

Embassy spokesman Bill Millman said he was concerned by some of the alleged behaviour of officials.

"I would hope that if their experiences were as they described, that this is an aberration.

"Somebody or some people appeared to have a bad day and did things incorrectly."

Going by the number of complaints received by the United States consulate in Auckland this was very rare, he said.

If mistakes were made the people affected deserved an apology and should take it up with the managers of the regions where they were detained, Millman said.

But officials had the difficult task of trying to make it easy for millions of law-abiding travellers to enter the US while making it difficult for terrorists and criminals.

"We want to treat everyone fairly and if they are bad people they should be arrested."

Overstaying a visa by just one day made a person liable for a criminal offence, Millman said. "In many United States jurisdictions you can be handcuffed and fingerprinted for any criminal offence. This is not just something being done to foreigners."

New Zealanders are generally allowed 90 days in the US without a visa. However, people who have criminal convictions or who have overstayed in the past may have to seek a visa from the consulate.

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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2002, 08:57:34 PM »
Well it depends. At 80-->mph yes. Definately. <--80mph or less, no in some parts. Thats why its good to have a fast car in the US.

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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2002, 09:21:19 PM »
All Clintons fault

You see, if he didn't get those blowjobs, we wouldn't be acting like this....

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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2002, 09:30:50 PM »
About 500,000 Mexicans per year don't realize how tough our immigration folks are.

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« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2002, 09:51:11 PM »
>>About 500,000 Mexicans per year don't realize how tough our immigration folks are<<

who else is gonna pick your tomatoes?
all you fascists, you're bound to lose...

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« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2002, 09:57:38 PM »
By all means; take us off the list.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2002, 09:58:35 PM »
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Just thought you guys might be interested, theres a few people taking the USA off their lists of places they'd like to see:


 


Their loss then.  There are plenty of great places to see and alot of great things to do here in the US.

Just as there are across the Globe.

And just as isolated incidences happen across immigration counters all over the Globe as well.

Ever been to Heathrow....yikes!  :eek:

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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2002, 10:00:15 PM »
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All Clintons fault

You see, if he didn't get those blowjobs, we wouldn't be acting like this....


10Bears....take your meds man.......

Cobra

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2002, 10:06:27 PM »
That makes sense IMHO, it was of course a bunch of New Zealanders who attacked us on 911 and before. Not young middle eastern men.

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2002, 10:19:01 PM »
New Zealand isn't considered an american ally . Something to do with our navy not being welcome in their water .

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2002, 10:28:56 PM »
You think our immigration people are tough...try going through an Israeli immigration checkpoint.   Sheesh!

After a month in Egypt (1992) I was as brown as any Arab.  My head had been shaved nearly bald by my wife before I left the states, and I had lost nearly 20 pounds.  So I didn't look anything like my passport photograph.  I was the last person cleared in my group at every checkpoint.  Once I am pretty sure they suspected I had a weapon because I kept setting off the alarm when going through the metal detector.  Turns out the cause was the metal eyes in my hiking shoes.  Our guide later told me I was one step away from a strip search.


There have undoubtedly been abuses of authority by the airport and immigration personnel since 9/11 but I'm certain that they are the exception rather than the rule.  Fire the guilty ones and the problem will largely disappear.  

Otherwise, security should come first, convenience second.


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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2002, 10:47:59 PM »
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New Zealand isn't considered an american ally . Something to do with our navy not being welcome in their water .


Exactly Samm, New Zealand is listed as an antagonistic nation to the United States of America ever since they cheated us out of the America's Cup. Kiwis? I got your kiwis right here in your body cavity search. What, just because Australians and New Zealanders think because they're white and speak pidgen English  they're entitled to special treatment?? I hope we send military aid to Samoa and they conquer New Zealand and Australia and send those Aussie criminals back to London to serve out the remainder of their sentances.

Hey Maggie Anderson, fifty-something Kiwi beeotch who had to undergo a full body cavity search- c'mon, admit it lady- it was the best sex you EVER had. I don't know if you're bragging or complaining but please, SHUT UP because every time you talk about what the Customs Boys did to you five thousand sexually frustrated Australian and New Zealand women empty their bank accounts to buy a one way ticket to any Port of Entry point in the USA in the hopes of getting groped.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2002, 11:06:25 PM »
Actually your ships are quite welcome except those with nuclear weapons/propulsion :) . But I'm not one of those commie greenies so I actually liked seeing US ships in port (got to see some real big toys!).

As for an ally? Hmmmm... ever heard of Echelon?

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2002, 11:08:52 PM »
Vulcan your service aboard the Enterprise in well noted. Not to worry.

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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2002, 11:57:37 PM »
Yeah, when we get finished STOMPIN" Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Iran, New Zealand is next chum!!