Author Topic: Ta152H-1 vs. Temp (Read 1157 times)

Kevin14 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 12, 2002, 10:54:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Nothing outruns the tempest at low altitudes, except the Me263 and the Arado234. Your books are wrong.

Wrong, I kept up with a Temp in a 190-D9 at about 375mph wavetop height

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #16 on:** August 12, 2002, 10:58:53 AM »

LOL kevin14!

Gonna have go to the "wep" card on that one. Dora's wep lasts longer.

I'd also have to go to the "Temp pilot was a moron" card for not turning and engaging a low alt 190.

AKDejaVu

214thCavalier · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2002, 11:06:39 AM »

Kevin14 you cannot claim that as wrong.
With wep the tempest on the deck is fastest at 386, however if he's only at military power setting speed tops out at 372 and a 190-d9 on wep tops out at 375.
Its pretty obvious you had to be on wep and the tempest either did not know you were chasing or was already wepped out.
Then of course we need to consider relative speeds / E state at start of the chase, as usual there are so many variables and you will only know those relating to your aircraft.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #18 on:** August 12, 2002, 12:52:56 PM »

Verm,

The F2G top speed at sea level was 400MPH.

Initial climb was 5,115FPM.

It's amazing because that was all at 60inches of MAP. Hardly a strain on a PW-R4360C.

The F4U-3 had a top speed of 487MPH at 27K at 72inches of MAP with the same Turbo Supercharger in the P-47.

Ahh if the Japanese could have lated just a few more months.

salem · « **Reply #19 on:** August 12, 2002, 12:57:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa

Now, in my opinion, this is what happened.

Analysis based on the event you have described shows that the Tempy driver was probably better than you.

lol.....made my Monday

cheers,
salem

Hristo · « **Reply #20 on:** August 12, 2002, 01:21:47 PM »

Ta 152 vs Tempest at low alt needs healthy E advantage. It is my impression that Ta 152 has fantastic E retention in dives and zooms (it is the best diver of 190s at least) and can keep E very long. Still, Tempest is an E collecting monster and you need to be very careful. Keeping your Ta at 20k+ is a better option.

NOD2000 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 12, 2002, 01:22:47 PM »

yes i do see what u are saying about e bleeding off............that very well could be the case.......i thought that when i dived down at top speed (wings were trying to snap off)........... and the temp had been down at wave top level for 5 - 10sec that his speed would have already started to bleed ( note: when he got to wave top i never saw him move up or down at all)............ while mine was still at its peak that i would have the speed advantige and would have pulled away for a little while......... but instantly he was catching me at the same alt when he had been there for 5 to 10 seconds........... well gueess there are just some variables that i am not puttin in there..................... cuz the only plane i have ever read about goin over 500 mph during WWII with a prop is the F4u (don't remember which model) but yet i can pull out of dives at 550 to 600 with the ta-152h-1 ....................oh and no he wasn't better then me

this handsomehunk followed me right through a convoy of my own country where he got blasted all to hell.......he he:D

but u are probably right about the e bleeding off

Naudet · « **Reply #22 on:** August 13, 2002, 01:23:18 AM »

@Verm: F2G, isnt that this Goodyear build bubble Canopy kamikaze interceptor F4U-Version?
If yes, what i read about was to good, OK the numbers are impressive, but i read that the "little" birdy had a couple of unpleasant flight characteristics.
But i don't want to go to deep into this.

Btw a few month ago i asked for a good reference book on US planes. One was mentioned (containing factory performance charts) but i can't find the thread. Could someone please tell me again what it was?

Furious · « **Reply #23 on:** August 13, 2002, 01:36:03 AM »

Naudet,

They were probably refering to "America's Hundred Thousand: U.S. Production Fighters of World War II".

F.

whgates3 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 13, 2002, 02:42:43 AM »

i've read that the Corsair w/ the Wasp Major was somewhat of a failure (not as fast as expected) and the later F4Us w/ R2800s were faster than the R4360 Corsairs (& less fuel consumption, lighter, more manuverable, better range...)

F4UDOA · « **Reply #25 on:** August 13, 2002, 04:02:08 PM »

Naudet,

Here is a good reference chart on American fighters including the F7F, F2G and F8F.

The F2G had some of the same lateral control problems the P-51 and P-47 had when it went to the bubble canopy. It was corrected in the production models with a larger rudders. The worst prolem the F2G had was carbon monoxide in the cockpit. That was never really fixed before they cancelled production.

WHgates3,

The F2G had a single stage supercharger so it did not put out rated power up high but still managed 425MPH at 14K. The F4U-3/4/5 were all faster above that alt.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #26 on:** August 13, 2002, 04:27:28 PM »

F2G was very unsuccesul and was canceled because the Bearcat could do everything in the F2G mission better.

Ossie · « **Reply #27 on:** August 13, 2002, 05:00:15 PM »

Hmm, any particular reason why they used 51-B and 38-J in with that group instead of -D and -L?

Vermillion · « **Reply #28 on:** August 14, 2002, 07:13:54 AM »

I guess it all comes down to your definition of "successful"

The F4U-3/4/5 were preferred after the war because of their altitude performance. Remember this was the start of the jet age, where high altitude speed and ceiling were king. Notice that the F2G has a critical altitude (ie altitude of peak performance) of only 14,000ft compared to F4U-4 with the critical altitude of 20,000ft. This however is also the reason the -4 Corsair is not a very good arena plane, compared to its perk cost, because its strengths are up high.

But down low in the situations for which the F2G was built, nothing with a prop that I know of can out perform it.

*edit* Ok, maybe a Hawker Sea Fury , I would have to check. *edit*

Not even your Bearcat Grunherz.

Notice that the Bearcat prototype (production aircraft didn't even perform that well) is almost 20 mph slower on the deck. The only thing that comes close on that chart is the Tigercat, which was a magnificent aircraft, but would have the well known roll deficiencies that all twins have, and which would turn poorly compared to the much lighter Super Corsair.

But in the Aces High Arena, we don't fight a real war. We fight the FURBALL. Which is more indicative of conditions on the Eastern front. We fight down low and dirty.

Why does the La7 do so good in AH compared to the P-51 even though it is almost 25mph slower? Because where it counts in the Arena, down low, its faster.

And THAT is why the F2G Super Corsair would be the ultimate prop perk plane in AH if it was ever introduced

Fastest on the Deck, 5000+ ft/min initial climb rate, and the famous Corsair nimble handling.

It would eat Tempies for breakfast, lunch, and dinner

Wmaker · « **Reply #29 on:** August 14, 2002, 07:57:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Vermillion
and the famous Corsair nimble handling.

According to America's Hundred Thousand Corsair has the worst turning performance when compared to other American fighters (FM-2, P-63A-9, P-61B-1, F6F-5, P-51D-15, P-38L, P-47D-30, F4U-1D).