Author Topic: 125% fuel supply (Read 1416 times)

deSelys · « **Reply #30 on:** August 13, 2002, 05:57:34 PM »

Suave, let me guess:

You just learned yesterday how percentages work and you want to share your new knowledge with us, right?

Btw, I fear the day you'll be able to resolve the equation of a parabolic curve. The thread you'll immediately start about gunnery will undoubtedly be quite mind-boggling...

Oh, before I leave, please take time to consider this theorem:

x^n + y^n = z^n

has no non-zero integer solutions for x, y and z when n > 2

Can you confirm or infirm this? I give you 10 days.

fffreeze220 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 13, 2002, 05:59:23 PM »

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Originally posted by deSelys
Suave, let me guess:

You just learned yesterday how percentages work and you want to share your new knowledge with us, right?

Btw, I fear the day you'll be able to resolve the equation of a parabolic curve. The thread you'll immediately start about gunnery will undoubtedly be quite mind-boggling...

Oh, before I leave, please take time to consider this theorem:

x^n + y^n = z^n

has no non-zero integer solutions for x, y and z when n > 2

Can you confirm or infirm this? I give you 10 days.

<--- gets Brain damage.

Stop this, this is just a game.

BenDover · « **Reply #32 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:04:19 PM »

and pc gamers wonder why they get called geeks:rolleyes:

didn't you get enough maths at the 11 years of school you had?

Samm · « **Reply #33 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:05:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
The given subject in this case being clean fuel capacity. That does not change, though you may carry more than that if you want.

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Actually you can increase your max capacity by adding more containers, ie. drop tanks, but you still won't ever have more that 100%, you will just have 100% of a larger volume .

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Or at least I can, I just add another tank or two increasing capacity. Sometimes I bring a gallon of beer, then I have over 500% beer mug capacity. [/B]

If all the containers you have are full you are at 100% capacity, no matter how many containers you have . Even if one of you containers holds 500% more than one of your other containers .

BigGun · « **Reply #34 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:08:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Samm

Percentage is just a ratio of how much of the whole you have or don't have .

WRONG. Maybe in your narrow simple little mind. I work in investment industry and that is not the case. It is possible to have $100 invested in the market but have overall exposure of $150 or 150% of actual dollars.

Samm · « **Reply #35 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:11:08 PM »

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Originally posted by BigGun

WRONG. Maybe in your narrow simple little mind. I work in investment industry and that is not the case. It is possible to have $100 invested in the market but have overall exposure of $150 or 150% of actual dollars.

Right, your overall exposure is 1.5 times the money you have invested . Or you could put it in the form of an improper fraction 150/100 aka a ratio . See I'm not wrong

And deselys I learned fractions and porcientos in grades school like everyone else .

deSelys · « **Reply #36 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:17:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Samm

...And deselys I learned fractions and porcientos in grades school like everyone else .

Well I suggest you search for your school books and re-read them. Because a percentage is a ratio, and a ratio can be >1. It just depends on what you're comparing what with...

In the case we're dealing, just consider a plane fully tanked with drop tanks to be at 125% of its internal fuel capacity. See? No big deal.

BigGun · « **Reply #37 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:17:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Samm

Right, your overall exposure is 1.5 times the money you have invested . Or you could put it in the form of an improper fraction 150/100 aka a ratio . See I'm not wrong

And deselys I learned fractions and porcientos in grades school like everyone else .

Misquote by me....referring to you can never have more than 100% of something. In this example you can have 150% overall exposure relative to the actual $$ you have invested. There are several cases in investment industry where you can have more than 100%.

FDutchmn · « **Reply #38 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:18:58 PM »

Samm,

I see your point but, have you tried to see it this way? The meaning of 125% is the output that the base can sustain. In the game this allows you to get drop tanks. This is not volume (physical space) as you perceive it.

If you go to the hanger, there is no 125%. You have a choice of loading 25%, 50%, 75%, or 100% of the internal fuel tanks and you have an option to carry drop tanks.

There is a clear difference here.

Samm · « **Reply #39 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:26:10 PM »

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Originally posted by deSelys

Well I suggest you search for your school books and re-read them. Because a percentage is a ratio, and a ratio can be >1. It just depends on what you're comparing what with...

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Yes, I've never stated otherwise, we have been in agreement here .

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In the case we're dealing, just consider a plane fully tanked with drop tanks to be at 125% of its internal fuel capacity. See? No big deal. [/B]

Right, and 100% of it's internal fuel capacity would be 80% of it's total fuel capacity .

Fatty · « **Reply #40 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:27:16 PM »

You can't redifine the measure at will yet balk when others do. If a plane with drop tanks holds 25% more than a plane without, then the previous plane will hold 125% that of the latter no matter how many times you try to redifine maximum capacity.

If the standard loadout is without drop tanks, then the plane with drop tanks will be taking 125% of the standard loadout.

Samm · « **Reply #41 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:33:04 PM »

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Originally posted by BigGun

Misquote by me....referring to you can never have more than 100% of something. In this example you can have 150% overall exposure relative to the actual $$ you have invested. There are several cases in investment industry where you can have more than 100%.

When people use percantages greater than 100 they are using comparitive terms . In your example 100% of your exposure is 1.5 times the size of the investment, making it 150% the size of your investment . Using this example 75% of your exposure would be equal to 100% of your investment .

Samm · « **Reply #42 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:39:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty
You can't redifine the measure at will yet balk when others do. If a plane with drop tanks holds 25% more than a plane without, then the previous plane will hold 125% that of the latter no matter how many times you try to redifine maximum capacity.

If the standard loadout is without drop tanks, then the plane with drop tanks will be taking 125% of the standard loadout.

No I think you are missunderstanding me . Assuming that drop tanks are 25% the size of internal stores, a plane with drop tanks that is at 100% capacity is carrying 25% more fuel than a plane that is at 100% capacity without drop tanks. So the first planes fuel is 1.25 the amount of the plane that can't carry DT's. 125% relative to the other planes capacity But the first plane is still 100% full .

Samm · « **Reply #43 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:45:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Fatty

If the standard loadout is without drop tanks, then the plane with drop tanks will be taking 125% of the standard loadout.

Ok, so if max capacity is 1.25 times standard loadout what percentage of his maximum capacity will it be taking ?

Fatty · « **Reply #44 on:** August 13, 2002, 06:49:20 PM »

Ahh, so you're measuring vs his maximum capacity. Why don't I measure vs a6m capacity instead and take 300%?

On the other hand with a sliding scale as you seem to want to use, are a p51d completely full but with no drop tanks available and a p51d completely full with drop tanks on carrying the same amount of fuel?

Because sometimes drop tanks aren't available, should we click 80% if they are available and 100% if they are not, depending on field damage? If the field is down to 1/5 fuel, then 100% should give you 1/4 tank eh?