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Offline Samm

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« Reply #60 on: August 13, 2002, 11:36:49 PM »
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it is now considered proper english to use the "double negative "

 
It hasn't ever not been proper english .

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« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2002, 12:36:47 AM »
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OK, figure this one out: Take off from one field with 100% internal, and drop tanks. Land at another field where pilots can only get 25%, taxi to the hotpad, and get a full loadout.:confused:


this is a feature on AH :D

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« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2002, 12:42:56 AM »
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It's not confusing to me in the least . I recognize when a field says is at 125% it is actually 100%, I just pointed out that it was illogical and that it was kind of funny . And since then I've just been replying to threads that state that I'm wrong . For me this has been one of the best conversations on this board and I'm enjoying it.


so let me get this clear... if it is not confusing you and it seems you are not proposing a change, either this thread is in the wrong forum or your point is unclear.  To me, there is nothing illogical about the representation of the concept.  It is only illogical for you because your premise is that "125%" must be some sort of volume.

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« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2002, 03:34:10 AM »
We're talking about quantity so of course we are talking about volume . Just as the most effort a person can ever exert is 100% . A full supply is the most one can ever have, be it solid, gas, liquid, energy, or metaphysical.

It is not possible to have a fuel supply of 125% for the same reason that it is not possible to make whiskey that is 125% alcohol, for the same reason that it is not possible to be 50% navaho and 50% commanche and 50% cherokee for the same reason that it is not possible to sleep 110% of the time .

Now if your contention is that 125% fuel supply is a relative comparitive term then I would ask you relative to what ? Because it obviously is not relative to that particular base's fuel stores .
« Last Edit: August 14, 2002, 03:52:09 AM by Samm »

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« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2002, 05:53:33 AM »
An optimistic person sees a glass half full
a pesimistic one sees it half empty
an engineer sees a glass too big. :D:D:D

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« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2002, 06:37:46 AM »
This thread needs to be taken out back and shot.

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« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2002, 06:39:20 AM »
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We're talking about quantity so of course we are talking about volume . Just as the most effort a person can ever exert is 100% . A full supply is the most one can ever have, be it solid, gas, liquid, energy, or metaphysical.


you have obviously not read any of my other replies.

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« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2002, 06:40:02 AM »
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This thread needs to be taken out back and shot.


i agree.

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« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2002, 07:47:35 AM »
best troll ever

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« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2002, 08:53:24 AM »
Since I have nothing better to do at work today, I'll throw some fuel onto the fire.

Samm is just as correct in his assessment as most everyone else.  It is all dependent upon your point of view.  Let me illustrate.

Assuming a base has storage for 10000 gallons of fuel, when there are 10000 gallons present, the base is at 100% capacity.  However, if a tanker truck comes in with an extra 2500 gallons on board, the base now contains 125% of its fuel capacity.  There is no way you can store that fuel on the base in the given containers, because as has been pointed out, you simply cannot pour 10 ounces of coffee into an 8 ounce cup.  Samm's perception here is that even though there is more fuel on the base than could possibly be stored, the bae's total volume of fuel is 100%.  The assumption is correct, given that you are looking at the entire base as the container.  So therefore, from one perspective, the base has 125% fuel, whereas from the other there is only 100% because the base now has the ability to store more than it did before.

One can continue to apply this logic, such that at ALL volumes, we can safely say there is 100%.  If, for example, we empty one of the containers at the base containing 25% of the total fuel, we can now say two things: first is that we have 75% fuel left.  The second is that we have 100% fuel left, because even though we have used up 25% of the fuel, the remaining fuel is now representative of the total.

It all boils down to whether or not you believe 100% is subjective.  If you feel, as Samm does, it is not.  It represents an absolute that can never be crossed.  It then becomes a boundary which you can base calculations around.  It is concrete and easily identifible.

Enough babbling.  I really should attempt to work now.

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« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2002, 08:55:08 AM »
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best troll ever

bingo!

even if it was an unintentional troll!  ;)
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« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2002, 09:53:25 AM »
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Since I have nothing better to do at work today, I'll throw some fuel onto the fire.

Samm is just as correct in his assessment as most everyone else. ...


Saying that everyone is correct isn't really throwing fuel onto the fire....c'mon, you can do better than this ;)


Btw, nobody recognized the famous theorem I posted? I can't believe I'm the only math geek here...
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« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2002, 10:29:22 AM »
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Saying that everyone is correct isn't really throwing fuel onto the fire....c'mon, you can do better than this ;)


Btw, nobody recognized the famous theorem I posted? I can't believe I'm the only math geek here...


Acutally, fuel onto the fire was the wrong choice of words.  I meant to say that I would continue to drag on the debate.

The theorem you posted is Fermat's last theorem.  It was, until recently unproven, and was thought impossible.  That is until Professor Wiles of Princeton combined the works of Taniyama and Shimura dealing with elliptic curves and modular forms.

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« Reply #73 on: August 14, 2002, 10:34:20 AM »
You posted Fermat's theorem, which, as far as I know, has never been proven, although no one has demonstrated a counter-example, either.

This has to be the most ridiculous argument over meaningless semantics that I have ever read.  It is perfectly legitimate to define a plane's internal storage capacity as 100%.  Having done so, any external fuel stores result in a plane carrying more than 100% capacity.  Big deal.

It is "impossible" to extert more than 100% or to be more than 100% full only if you assume what you seek to prove.  That is known as circular reasoning.

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« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2002, 10:36:36 AM »
Oops -- Johnny beat me to it, although I was unaware that the theorem had actually been proven!  :)