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Offline Shuckins

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« on: August 15, 2002, 09:12:14 PM »
The information in this post is taken from the article The New Ice Age which can be found in the September, 2002 edition of Discovery magazine.


A growing number of scientists - including many at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution on Cape Cod in Massachusetts - believes conditions are ripe for a prolonged cool down, or small ice age.  The next cooling trend will probably not produce a huge ice sheet such as existed 12,000 years ago, it could drop average temperatures 5 degrees Fahrenheit over much of the United States and 10 degrees in the Northeast, northern Europe, and northern Asia.

Terrence Joyce, who chairs the Woods Hole Physical Oceanography Department, states "It could happen in 10 years.  Once it does, it can take hundreds of years to reverse."

A drop of 5 to 10 degrees could have devastating consequences.  A 2002 report titled Abrupt Climate Change:  Inevitable Surprises," produced by the National Academy of Sciences, pegged the cost from agricultural losses alone at $100 billion to $250 billion while also predicting that damage to ecologies could be vast and incalculable:  disappearing forest, increased housing expenses, dwindling freshwater, lower crop yields, and accelerated species extinctions.  A quick climate change wreaks far more disruption than a slow one.

Climate science is complex, and the onslaught of a little ice age is not certain, at least at this state of research.  Scientists all over the world  are studying the problem, but perhaps nowhere in the U.S. is more energy, equipment and brainpower directed at the problem than here at Woods Hole.  The oceanographers on staff subsist largely on government grants and are beholden to no corporation, making the facility "uniquely independent," says David Gallo, director of special projects.  

The institute has three research ships that use core samplers that extract long columns of layered sediments from the sea floor.  Technicians also tinker with arrays of multiple independent water samplers, which are dropped into the North Atlantic, hoping to get a sharper picture of the potential for a little ice age.  "We need to make this a national priority," says Joyce, but "...with enough data, I think we can make a more specific and confident prediciton about what comes next."  Policymakers armed with more accurate data could make adjustments to prepare for the inevitable.

But first things first.  Isn't the earth actually warming?

Indeed it is, says Joyce.  He explains that such warming could actually be the surprising culprit of the next mini-ice age.  The paradox is a result of the appearance over the past 30 years in the North Atlantic of huge rivers of freshwater  -- the equivalent of a 10-foot-thick layer -- mixed into the salty sea.  A prime suspect in the appearance of this water is melting Arctic ice, caused by a buildup of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that traps solar energy.

The freshwater trend is major news in ocean-science circles.  Bob Dickson, a British oceanographer, has termed the drop in salinity and temperature in the Laborador Sea -- "arguably the largest full-depth changes observed in the modern instrumental oceanagraphic record."

The trend could cause a little ice age by subverting the northern penetration of Gulf Stream waters.  Normally the Gulf Stream wanders north along the eastern coasts of the U.S. and Canada.  Surrendering heat to the air as it goes, prevailing winds waft this heat over Europe.  Many scientists believe that's why winter temperatures in Europe are as much as 36 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than those in North America at the same latitude.

Having lost its heat to the air, the now-cooler current becomes denser and sinks into the North Atlantic by a more or more in a process called thermohaline circulation.   This column of sinking cold water is the main engine powering a deepwater current called the Great Conveyor that snakes through all the world's oceans.  But as the North Atlantic fills with freshwater, it grows less dense, making the waters carried northward by the Gulf Stream less able to sink.  The mass of freshwater sits on top of the ocean like a big thermal blanket, threatening the thermohaline circulation.  This in turn could make the Gulf Stream slow or veer southward.  At some point the whole system could simply shut down, and do so quickly.   "There is increasing evidence that we are getting close to a transition point, from which we can jump to a new state.  Small changes, such as a couple of years of heavy precipitation or melting ice at high latitudes, could yield a big response," says Joyce.

Another oceanographer, Ruth Curry, uses a four map array to show the North Atlantic each decade since the 1960s.  Orange and yellow on the map mean warmer and saltier.  Green and blue mean colder and fresher.  With each subsequent map, green and blue spread farther.  "It's not just in the Laborador Sea...this cold freshening area is nor invading the deep waters of the entire subtropical Atlantic.

Joyce states that it could literally take hundreds of years to get rid of all this fresh water.  So while the globe as a whole gets warmer by tiny fractions of 1 degree Fahrenheit annually, the North ATlantic region could, in just ten years, get up to 10 degrees colder.  

Seafloor sediment cores give evidence that this has happened before...most notably during the little ice age that lasted from 1300 to 1850 A.D.  Tiny invertebrates called foraminifera (amoebas with shells) are found in these sediments.  By measuring the proportions of oxygen isotopes scientists are able to ascertain the temperature at which the tiny animals in each layer formed their calcium carbonate shells to an acdcuracy of less than 1 degree Fahrenheit.

Plenty of data has been uncovered about abrupt temperature changes over the past 1,000 years, including for a little ice age that averaged about 4 degrees Fahrenheit colder than the present.  

Clearly, the little iace age wasn't kicked off by humans releasing greenhouse gases.  But natural climate cycles that melted Arctic ice could have caused thermohaline circulation to shut down.  

An event that took place in the late 1960's perhaps provides a better example that a climate can cool quickly.  A huge mass of near-surface fresh water appeared off the east coast of Greenland.  The Great Salinity Anomaly, as it was called, drifted southward, settling into the North Atlantic in the early 1970s.  It interfered with the thermohaline circulation by arresting deepwater formation in the Laborador Sea.  Drifting in a counterclockwise direction, it re-entered the Norwegian Sea in the late 1970s and eventually vanished.

Shutting the system down for a few years, the Great Salinity Anomaly brought very cold winters, particularly in Europe.  That mass, fortunately was small enough to disperse in a short period of time.  The one accumulating up there now, however, "is just too big," says Joyce.

"We can't know the point at which thermohaline shutdown could actually start," says Ruth Curry.  "But we should plan for it."







More information about transition climate models can be found here:

http://books.nap.edu/books/0309074347/html/index.html


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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2002, 09:21:22 PM »
does that mean all them there canada people is gona move down here???

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2002, 09:56:55 PM »
Definitely! :D

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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2002, 10:31:42 PM »
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The oceanographers on staff subsist largely on government grants and are beholden to no corporation, making the facility "uniquely independent," says David Gallo, director of special projects.



uniquely independent :rolleyes:

They need to create an "urgency" inorder to get more money or to ensure the current money comes in.

They come up with a doomsday report that validates the need for their group.

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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2002, 10:37:28 PM »
Wotan,

Certainly they do, certainly!  As do the researchers who preach global warming as the greatest threat to mankind in history.

Who do we believe?  Only the scientists whose findings agree with our own pet notions?


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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2002, 10:43:35 PM »
Wait a second...How can we have a mini-ice age at the same time we have global warming?

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2002, 10:54:00 PM »
Elfenwolf,

Wierd isn't it?! :)

If an influx of fresh water continues to flood into the North Atlantic, it will, essentially, dissipate the North Atlantic Current.  This is the current that moderates temperatures in Northern Europe, which lies as far north as Canada.  The melting of Arctic ice caused by global warming could cause a drastic drop in temperatures in the entire North Atlantiac region;  northern Europe, Canada, and the U.S.

Go to the website I listed.  One of the charts in that article shows that the temperature rise that ended the last major Ice Age took place in a ten year time span, most of that increase may have come in as little as a year or two.  That is what the article refers to as a transition event.  According to the evidence cited in the article, such events are fairly commonplace.

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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2002, 11:02:34 PM »
What does oceanic temp have to do with surface temp?  I understand the moderating influnce of large bodies of water.  But when the earth's surface is brought up by a few degrees, the moderating influence of the ocean doesn't really matter.  As it will still moderate but at a  +x amount of degrees.  As far as I understand it anyway.

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2002, 11:11:56 PM »
Thrawn,

The article pointed out that the North Atlantic Current moderates Northern Europes temperature.  It keeps the winter temperature 36 degrees Fahrenheit higher than it would be for other areas at the same latitude.  Naturally, if that current were to dissipate, that moderating influence would disappear.  Remember also, world-wide temperatures have risen by an average of only one degree fahrenheit during the 20th century (global warming), which is hardly enough to offset a drop of that magnitude.

The article in Discovery magazine also mentions four climate maps showing the increase of cool, fresh water in the North Atlantic over the last 30 years.  The last map shows a massive area of cool water building there.  If a much smaller mass of cool water, the Great Salinity Anomaly, could interfere with the thermohaline circulation in the 1970s, what could the possible effects of this much larger mass of cool water be?


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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2002, 12:03:05 AM »
so lemme get this straight..

..there's gonna be a sheet of ice over canada, japan, russia and france?
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..and the party is when???
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2002, 01:13:11 AM »
LOL Hangtime, isn't it time for you to go to bed? :)

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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2002, 01:17:09 AM »
Man, I read the greenhouse thread and took all the winter clothes up into the attic and put 'em in sealed storage. Got all the summer stuff down and washed and folded it. I was READY!

Now I've got to go pack up the summer stuff and bring the winter stuff back down?

Man, I wish they'd figure out just exactly how the disaster du jour is going to play out.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2002, 10:12:55 AM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn
What does oceanic temp have to do with surface temp?  I understand the moderating influnce of large bodies of water.

 The Gulfstream phenomenon is not a "moderated influence of large bodies of water" but relatively small but highly concentrated transfer of heat from tropics to Europe.
 Gulfstream's warm water makes it to the surface, releases heat and then sinks and goes back.
 When Gulfstream is covered with a layer of fresh water, it will never make it to the top - no matter how warm the saline water, it will be heavier than fresh one. The heat will not be transfered, the saline water will not sink and the Gulfstream will stop or go elsewhere. Kind of like wraping your room radiators with blankets while still running the basement heater to the max.

 Despite global warming the climate in Europe will get much cooler - much close to Canadian while the Gulfstream heat will go somewhere else that is already hot.

 May be europeans should build huge propellers to churn the water... Make them work off the windmills installed in the sea. No need to convert to electricity and bother with cables.
 As an alternative, a few dozen nuclear detonations 2000-3000 feet deep will probably do the job and restart the flow.

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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2002, 11:08:07 AM »
The article does not predict that Europe will be covered with the kind of continental glaciers that existed during the last major Ice Age.  They compare the projected effects of this little ice age to the one that occurred in Europe during the Middle Ages.  Mountain glaciers advanced to the point that they devastated farmlands in the Alps and other areas of Europe.  Alpine villagers lived on bread made from ground nutshells mixed with barley and oat flour.  Famines, hypothermia, bread riots and other calamities occurred all over Europe.  Finland lost perhaps athird of its population to starvation and disease.  Forests disappeared because of the bitter cold, leaving much of Europe with a tundra-like appearance.

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2002, 01:11:27 PM »
"When Gulfstream is covered with a layer of fresh water, it will never make it to the top - no matter how warm the saline water, it will be heavier than fresh one. "


No heat exchange between fresh and saline?


"May be europeans should build huge propellers to churn the water... Make them work off the windmills installed in the sea. No need to convert to electricity and bother with cables. "

Maybe they could put air line down into the warm salt water and blow a buch of buubles to carry the heat up.  :)