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Pongo · « **Reply #15 on:** August 16, 2002, 07:06:50 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
Chances are, he put his pipper just over your cockpit, fired a burst, and the trajectory caused the bullet to drop off and find your radiator.

with the speed of the aircraft factored in that 950 yards is like 1150 yards(does a pony at 380 mph travel 200 yards in a second?)
at that distance the 50 cal will drop over 30 ft.
so the guy chasing was firing the full wingspan of a pony(37ft) above the guy he was firing at.
Most of us in this game know that you can not fly flat and level at less then 1.5 infront of a 50 cal armed fighter. the bullet is still somewhat dangerous and somewhat accurate and the 50 armed planes typically have lots of ammo.

Be glad he was not in a Hog C. He would have torn your plane apart not pinged your rad.

Seagoon · « **Reply #16 on:** August 16, 2002, 09:06:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Ah, Seagoon is right about radiator below the aircraft on the P51, but as Ripsnorts picture shows, it is a coolant radiator, not an oil radiator.

dago

Hi Dago,

The "scoop" did double duty serving as the radiator for the intercooler (liquid coolant) and lubricating oil. In the "A" the scoop was just for the oil radiator but in later models, including the "D" the intercooler was added to the underwing scoop:

"The North American engineers moved the carburetor air intake from above to below the nose in order to accommodate the Merlin's updraft induction system. The intercooler radiator was added to the radiator group already located inside the scoop underneath the rear fuselage, and the ventral radiator group was made noticeably deeper than before and had a sharp-angled inlet standing more than two inches away from the underside of the fuselage. The matrix and door arrangement of the ventral radiator system were modified. Instead of the oil cooler being situated in the center of a circular coolant radiator, it was relocated to the front of the duct and provided with its own ventral exit door. Further downstream, in a greatly enlarged duct, was the huge rectangular coolant matrix, with a much bigger exit door at the rear."

Hitting the oil cooling components actually causes the engine to seize rather than merely overheat.

- Seagoon

Thunder · « **Reply #17 on:** August 17, 2002, 02:04:44 AM »

Beet1e,

Nice Picture of Bill Hain's P-51 "Ho Hun!". He used to fly it out of Falcon Field in Mesa Arizona. When and where did you take that photo? I wonder if he sold it?

Salute,

Thunder

GreyWind · « **Reply #18 on:** August 17, 2002, 02:55:57 AM »

>Most likely the bullet was doing its own trip, enjoying the landscape and you run over it. Be more careful next time

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Gotta remember not to be drinking something while reading these posts. Almost did the spray thing on this.

beet1e · « **Reply #19 on:** August 17, 2002, 03:17:05 AM »

Thunder -

I took the photo in October 1998 at the Confederate Air Force museum at Falcon Field - near Mesa? I have many more if you want them.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #20 on:** August 17, 2002, 08:29:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Pongo

Be glad he was not in a Hog C. He would have torn your plane apart not pinged your rad.

Be even more pleased that it was not a Tiffy, as it has more speed than the Chog, and the same gun package!

beet1e · « **Reply #21 on:** August 17, 2002, 02:58:09 PM »

Rip!

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Be even more pleased that it was not a Tiffy, as it has more speed than the Chog, and the same gun package!

In that case, how come the Chog costs 8pp, whereas the Tiffy is unperked?

Animal · « **Reply #22 on:** August 17, 2002, 03:15:41 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Rip!
In that case, how come the Chog costs 8pp, whereas the Tiffy is unperked?

Moot. The Chog is perked because of its awesome ground attack abilities. It is slower than the typh.

In the situation FTJR was, the typhoon would have been more dangerous than the slow-ass hog.

SUP0NGO · « **Reply #23 on:** August 17, 2002, 05:56:19 PM »

Ripsnort Wrotte:

"Supongo, where are the control cables for the rudder? Thats right, the tail, aft fuselage, running up through the body of the aircraft. One bullet into the tail can take out a rudder in real life...not sure if its modeled that way here."
Ok, in agreement, but says to Ripsnort friend, whichever cable has within the airplane and of which thickness is so that a projectile divides them? 50 cm.?

Salute

Supongo

Seagoon · « **Reply #24 on:** August 17, 2002, 09:09:57 PM »

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Originally posted by SUP0NGO
"Supongo, where are the control cables for the rudder? Thats right, the tail, aft fuselage, running up through the body of the aircraft. One bullet into the tail can take out a rudder in real life...not sure if its modeled that way here."
Ok, in agreement, but says to Ripsnort friend, whichever cable has within the airplane and of which thickness is so that a projectile divides them? 50 cm.?

Hi Supongo,

Control cables in German Bombers and Fighters regularly parted when subjected to .303 fire from British Fighters. Trust me that .50 cal bullets could easily handle the job as well.

If you want, I can see if I can dig up some quotes from Japanese or German pilots whose control cables where shot away by American .50 cal ammunition.

- Seagoon

SUP0NGO · « **Reply #25 on:** August 18, 2002, 09:45:16 AM »

Seagoon Friend:

Of the thousand of airplanes Germans demolished in the WWII, single few went it to 800y, and we can say of them that they were accidental. In AH, drribo to but of 500y he is habitual, and that means that the model of damages is not the correct one. Remember, that the convergence of the arms was changed in the RAF for the caliber 303 of 600y 250y, and that must to the little damage that makes the little concentration, the same happens with the 12.7. Review those data, and side like is isolated cases that in AH they are taken like normal. Ademas, speech of armor-piercing rounds, imagines what 20mm German and explosive can get to do in the internal mecanica of an airplane. The demolitions to but of 600y, and 400y even deberian to be much but dificiles in AH, the WWII shot from closely together.

A greeting

Supongo

P.D.: I use Altavista Translation, sorry

0scar · « **Reply #26 on:** August 18, 2002, 10:03:27 AM »

Ah, Ha ! I've figured it out ! ,,, when you are ahead of your hunter and he fires, the bullets are in effect chasing you down, and as your a/c is advancing under power the bullets are actually losing energy due to drag and such and slowing down, so as the bullets pass you and slow down to a speed lower than your a/c's you are actually running into the bullets in front of your a/c that have slowed to below your a/c's speed ! hence comes forth the dredded whine '..he got my fuggin radiator from ded 6 ! #$@^^^#$oscar%@&%$ !!!!! '

..see if you apply basic physics principles, anything can be explained !

OZkansas · « **Reply #27 on:** August 18, 2002, 11:23:08 AM »

I have grave doubts that the distance of 950 is correct. Connect issues may show from the guy chasing you that he was closer then you thought:) Would be nice to know what his FE said.

Also what Turbot said, gotta turn alittle, always!

Nomde · « **Reply #28 on:** August 18, 2002, 11:26:46 AM »

Just more reasons to fly a 2800HP double wasp jug

Apar · « **Reply #29 on:** August 18, 2002, 06:19:10 PM »

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Hehe! Radial head!

~~Rip,~~