Want your opinion on this.

[easymo]

Well, I'm military... and foul language while considered "unprofessional", it's usually not an issue unless some dope decides to make an issue of it

Please them me this aint true.  Hell, the Army is where I learned to cuss.

[Kratzer]

Urchin, you need to rent the South Park movie and watch the part where they get hauled in for swearing.

At least it'll make chuckle a bit...

"What's the big f@#in' deal?"

[fd ski]

Originally posted by Kieran
Sorry, Ski, doing something unethical is unethical, no matter what the motivation is.

Ethics are defined by your own personal beliefs, hince what's unethical for you, might not be unethical to me, and vice versa.
In my book, if ex-employer is going out of their way to f...k you, after they fired you unjustly, it is fully justified and ethical to figth for your own.
Eye for an eye sort of thing.

[fd ski]

Here you go Kirean,

let me clarify:
I'm all against ex-employer giving out undocumented, vengeful info. That's what i think Urchin should find out.

If god forbit they mention his chest... oh wait

Is a former employer sabotaging your ability to gain employment? Loose-lips don't just sink ships. They often devastate a job hunters ability to gain employment.
After leaving a job, a former employer is free to pass along negative information about you to prospective employers, and most state laws protect them from legal recourse provided the information is - job related; based upon credible evidence; and made without malice.

It is illegal for a former employer to purposefully give false information for the sake of harming one's reputation or preventing one from obtaining employment. In addition, personal information that is not job related should neither be asked about or provided by either a prospective or former employer. In general, it is inappropriate for a prospective employer to ask questions or a former employer to provide information about an individual's race, color, religion, sex, national or ethnic origin, age, disability status, marital status, sexual orientation, or parenting responsibilities.

Former employers who fear potential defamation and slander law suites have become crafty when answering employment reference questions. Rather than speak negatively about a former employee, some will opt to "No Comment" when asked critical employment questions regarding performance, termination, and eligibility for rehire. The inference of this is just as harmful to the employee as a bad reference, and if a prospective employer has to choose between two qualified applicants - one with positive references and the other with mediocre or bad references - who do you suppose they will choose?

Another common practices among leery employers is to refuse to give any information about an employee other than dates of employment and title.

This is gross disservice to an employee who has dedicated years of faithful service to a company, yet gets no better of a reference then an employee who was fired for embezzlement. Unfortunately, this policy is within the legal rights of an employer provided the policy is an across the board policy that applies to all employees - not just a selected few. There have been cases successfully argued that an employer discriminated against an employee for not applying the same policy to all its employees.

Employment laws vary significantly from state to state. You should consult an attorney in your state regarding specific legal questions. If you suspect your former employer is giving you a bad reference, or of something more malicious like slander, defamation, or blacklisting, you should consider investigating your references

[midnight Target]

In today's litigious society it can also be detrimental to a company to give a good reference. If the employee turns out to be a sicko at the new job, that too can come back to haunt you. Best to just give dates of employment and let it go at that.

[Kieran]

That's all nice and stuff, but what you were recommending was he try to trap them into saying something for the express purpose of suing them. That is unethical. Wrapping it up with all that other stuff you posted had nothing to do with the central point of your original "suggestion".

BTW, I like your moral relativity description.

[Hawklore]

Ok for your first question...


No you werent justified in using "Faul Language"yes you should of done something different, 1.Tell your manager of her shouting, (shouting to ''Me" is more distracting then cussing and would cause a more "Uncomfortable" working enviroment...)

Say that she caused you to become uncomfortable in your work enviroment which then lead to you cussing which in no doubt you were mistaken to do but the she was very very Iresponsible (Spelling) and that she was not paying full attention to you which is obvios by her talking to her friend.


Now, your manager can say what ever She/He thinks of you to the person hiring you but the person hiring you should get your side of the argument only to be fair.


Well that 'Lil book of 'How we can fire you' basicly says that if you say, "Exuse me misses" we can fire you. Or if you sneeze which is kind of dumb.


My point of view, no i've never had a job but listen to my dad when he got fired at this horrible place. Which we tryed to sue but then cause of the 'Lil book,laws in florida,we couldnt.

Good Luck, and i suggest you call up that manager and tell him/her that you were offended by the clerks shouting which lead to you using foul language.


Just my Opinion.

[fd ski]

Originally posted by Kieran

BTW, I like your moral relativity description.

Well, i guess I'll burn in hell for not being a good christian then.

[Targo]

Sue the employee ? why ? in my opinion hes are the one who lost his temper and cused their payroll clerk even if she used raised voice its a bad thing to do.

Also companys (in EU atleast) have access to such informations and they DO exchange it on higher levels without your knowledge, so its not even worth that extra couple bucks (only if you can get enough to never work again ) when you can get in trouble while trying to get another job afterwards.

I have worked in a lot of compayes from retail to big multinationals (mostly IT companys) on very different levels and they mostly do check your background .  

"If your manager wants you to have your check, he can come in here and get it himself and give it to you, I'm not going to"

Above is exactly what you should do imo.

btw : dont you ppl in US have contracts with your employees ? Its mostly a lot of paper but its worth reading

[Elfenwolf]

You have absolutely NO right to use profanity directed angerly towards another person rather it be in the workplace or not. I'm amazed at all the posters who overlook the lack of respect you and the payroll clerk demonstrated towards each other. You handled yourself immaturely and quite badly. Oh, and all these guys that are saying you should sue? Tell me, what would you do if this guy went off on your wife or daughter like that? Sorry, but only a bully or a coward would intimidate a woman like that. Call me old fashioned, but what you deserved was this woman's husband showing up in the parking lot your first day back to give you a richly deserved bellybutton whipping.

[Cobra]

Or you can have Elfie bungee-drop on him

It's fun to watch and you don't have to get dirting giving the bellybutton whoppin'

Cobra

[Urchin]

Oh, I'm not denying that I was in the wrong.  That is one reason I wouldn't sue the company over this.  Another reason is that I feel it is sort of a stupid thing to sue over, they have the 'right' to fire whoever works for them for any reason or no reason at all.  

As far as having a 'right' to curse in the workplace (or anywhere else) or to curse at women- yes, it is a bad thing.  People do bad things when they get pissed off, and I was pissed off.  I actually think I conducted myself reasonably well- I could have thrown a fit and started screaming like she did.  As far as me trying to intimidate her, I never was.  I was trying to get that which two different managers had said I could have, and that she refused to give me.  Believe me, I know how to intimidate people, and I wasn't doing it there.

I'd actually love for that woman's husband to try to give me a 'richly deserved asswhipping'.  I am pretty clear on the laws there- if someone takes a swing at you, you are entitled to defend yourself.  And I can defend myself pretty well, thank you very much.  What I'm not clear on is whether me putting him in the hospital would be considered 'self-defense' even if he took the first swing.  That is another interesting question, and you see different "T.V. judges" rule differently on every case (at least the ones I've seen).

[Elfenwolf]

Maybe you should get away from occupations that require interaction with other human beings. Look into jobs such as lighthouse keeper or night watchman at a recycling center bud. I'm self employeed and if you talked like that in my office I'd toss you out on your ear. You're damn lucky the payroll lady didn't claim she was intimidated or you could have been arrested for assault. Maybe you should find a NEW 7-11 to work for dude.

[Urchin]

I obviously have a different perspective on the situation than you seem to.  

Of course, I also have a different perspective on this situation I suppose, since I see you as being extremely rude, and you may (or may not, I don't know) think you are being polite.

[Creamo]

No one gets fired over 1 argument.

No one sues with a prayer when they finally get fired after pissing everyone off, and then giving the manager the easy way out.

Just saying.